The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

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The House speakership chaos wasted 2023...

If you are talking, admittedly recent, history then I agree with your point. The Speaker of the House debacle was embarrassing for the entire United States government but for the GOP especially. It is a black eye that will take some time to recover from. If you are comparing the Senate to the House through all of 2023 then there is no contest that the House was a train wreck while the Senate only took a step backwards to make sure they didn't interrupt the GOP from destroying itself in broad view of the public.

If talking the House now under Mike Johnson then we're going to have to agree to disagree. I'm not saying Mike Johnson is God's gift to governance but I think the big responsible players in the House are realizing the damage done and the gears are now greased like they haven't been for decades. Between the House and Senate now in 2024, it is the Senate that by comparison cannot get anything done.

 

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Good to know the pentagon wars produced a useful vehicle. Thank you for the update.

Watched the flick. It was great! Thanks for the recommendation.

With decades of hindsight, it is amusing to see some of the things they were making fun of have turned out to be amazingly potent on the battlefield. An example was poking fun at the 10 foot height of the Bradley making it too big to be a scout vehicle. Because of that crazy design ask, we now know how much of an advantage it is to have an elevated position for the main gun on scout-type vehicles and you can see that lesson learned in the designs of the more recent MRAP....

... or M-ATV.

The movie also poked fun at scratching off the naked rooftop machine gun and replacing it with a turret capable of handling the 25mm chain gun. It turns out that Bushmaster chain gun is what makes it so deadly to the Russian T-72 tanks which were also from there era. That said, the Bushmaster is not capable of punching through the armor of the new Russian T-90 tank. As a side note, the A-10 Warthog also cannot punch through the armor of a T-90. That tank is extremely tough. Higher definition footage of the Bradley vs T-90 tank has since hit the net, and you can see that the Bushmaster rounds cannot penetrate the T-90 armor.



The way the Bradley's destroyed the T-90 was in the optics and fire control of the Bradley being so good that even at a half mile while moving, they could pick off the optics of the T-90 and blind it. The Bradley's replacement is getting a bigger gun.

 

[Deleted member 365]

When Ukrainians are getting butchered, please remember to thank a Republican house member. They did this. There’s a bipartisan bill that has passed the senate and will be signed by the president that’s just gathering dust on Moses Mike’s desk.


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There’s a bipartisan bill that has passed the senate and will be signed by the president that’s just gathering dust on Moses Mike’s desk.

Wow! There is a bipartisan bill that has passed the senate you say? You should tell that to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer who said there was a chance they could begin crafting a bill next week.

"Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer told reporters after the White House meeting that he puts chances of a deal at “more than half,” and later said they could begin processing the legislation as early as next week."

'Incredibly stark': Biden aides give lawmakers a grim assessment of Ukraine without more aid

The president’s national security aides said in a private meeting this week that Russia could win the war within weeks if Congress doesn’t act.

www.nbcnews.com

...And this article from 15 hours ago seemed to echo Chuck Schumer's incorrect understanding in saying they hope to have something next week.

"Senate negotiators are close, however, they have not reached a deal on a supplemental foreign aid package. The package would also create border security and immigration reforms in the U.S. The principal lawmakers are working out the details and hope to have something to vote on within a week."

'I'm not a yes vote today': Is the Senate close to passing Ukraine-border bill?

Senate continues negotiations on a foreign aid package that also includes border security measures, however, more work needs to be done.

san.com

All of these Senators and all the news outlets mis-reporting there being no agreement yet in the Senate sure must feel silly in forgetting that they already came to an agreement, put it up for a vote, got it passed, and it is now sitting on Mike Johnson's desk.

 

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The way the Bradley's destroyed the T-90 was in the optics and fire control of the Bradley being so good that even at a half mile while moving, they could pick off the optics of the T-90 and blind it. The Bradley's replacement is getting a bigger gun.

This is the one I tried to post! Look at that ****!!!!


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What happens if this nation gives republicans the House in a few months? Will our military aid for Ukraine dry up? What happens if Trump/DeSantis take over in 2025? There’s no love lost between Trump and Zelensky. Nothing in fact would please Trump more than to help his idol out in that war bu delivering Zelensky’s head on a plate.

I actually wonder if that’s the calculus for Putin now. Just wait this out until stupid voters do stupid things and deliver the west over to Putin. As our corporate media has admitted, “Trump is great for ratings!” So just imagine what the ratings would be if America suddenly changes in Jan 2023 or Jan 2025 and begins to help Putin, not Zelensky, out.

We all know Repubs don’t care about what 70 percent of the country thinks. They just need barely enough to win back a gerrymandered House, Senate that favors desolate rural states, and the electoral college. To hell with Popularity, serve your base some red meat, cut deals with authoritarians, and drink snowflake tears!

We’re finding out. I hate being right all the time about this wretched party.


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Champagne being popped all over the Kremlin. I told you, Repubs want chaos. They don’t want to give Biden a win in 2024. Ukraine be damned. We have a political game to play!


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We’re finding out. I hate being right all the time about this wretched party.


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Champagne being popped all over the Kremlin.

Trump isn't going to win.

I hope Ukraine can hold the line until after the election. I can't imagine a reason to withhold funding after that, even if Republicans still hold the House and even if they pick up the Senate. Helping Ukraine is helping the U.S.. Once the games are over with and Trump is out of the picture for good I have to believe we do what's right for the U.S. and the people of Ukraine.

 

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Trump isn't going to win.

I hope Ukraine can hold the line until after the election. I can't imagine a reason to withhold funding after that, even if Republicans still hold the House and even if they pick up the Senate. Helping Ukraine is helping the U.S.. Once the games are over with and Trump is out of the picture for good I have to believe we do what's right for the U.S. and the people of Ukraine.

I think Ukraine is in trouble. Here’s why:

1. They’re running out of ammo now. We’re talking about an election that’s 10 months away.
2. Republicans will most likely recapture the senate. The map tough and Dems are already down 1 with Manchin retiring. So even if Dems hold the White House and recapture the House, the senate can obstruct and kill any Ukrainian aid. Republicans can withhold aid for as long as they stay in power. Power is the only thing that animates them.

There was a time when both parties would’ve worked together on this. But… sadly… that no longer happens. It’s all about politics, 24/7. How can my team win if I’m a Republican. It’s asymmetrical warfare.

 

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I think Ukraine is in trouble. Here’s why:

1. They’re running out of ammo now. We’re talking about an election that’s 10 months away.
2. Republicans will most likely recapture the senate. The map tough and Dems are already down 1 with Manchin retiring. So even if Dems hold the White House and recapture the House, the senate can obstruct and kill any Ukrainian aid. Republicans can withhold aid for as long as they stay in power. Power is the only thing that animates them.

There was a time when both parties would’ve worked together on this. But… sadly… that no longer happens. It’s all about politics, 24/7. How can my team win if I’m a Republican. It’s asymmetrical warfare.

There are many European countries that will continue to give Ukraine aid.

After November, if you read my post that you are responding to, I think there will be less reason to withhold aid, as the reason they are doing it now is to appease Trump and deny Biden a win. Helping Ukraine is helping the U.S.. After the election, after Trump is defeated again and the Republican party needs to move on they will have few reasons to deny aid.

The reason they are withholding aid is because that's good for Trump. Once the Trump stank is lifted there is little incentive, other than some of them who I think are actually Russian compromised agents, to keep helping Russia.

 

[Deleted member 365]

It’s a ****ing shame that Ukraine is going to be the sacrificial lamb for Republican dysfunction. This is going to make Afghanistan and Vietnam look like nothing. Huge ramifications for the United States because republicans are backstabbing Ukraine all to appease their cult leader n


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[Deleted member 365]

There are many European countries that will continue to give Ukraine aid.

After November, if you read my post that you are responding to, I think there will be less reason to withhold aid, as the reason they are doing it now is to appease Trump and deny Biden a win. Helping Ukraine is helping the U.S.. After the election, after Trump is defeated again and the Republican party needs to move on they will have few reasons to deny aid.

The reason they are withholding aid is because that's good for Trump. Once the Trump stank is lifted there is little incentive, other than some of them who I think are actually Russian compromised agents, to keep helping Russia.

I read your post. I disagreed with it. Trump’s stench won’t lift as the incentives for the party to remain fascist will remain; a base living in an alt reality, a propaganda apparatus dependent on radicalizing viewers, and politicians scared to deal the of their own base. Trump will merely lie after he loses this year, the base will believe him, and this cycle will repeat itself.

Fascism in America didn’t start and certainly doesn’t end with Trump. We’ve seen the continued self-radicalization of the GOP since at least the tea party in 2009. That’s not going to change with a Trump defeat in 2024. Especially given how entrenched conservative disinformation and propaganda have become in our media and primary social media platforms.

The pressure to obstruct the Dems or face an extremist from the right flank will just continue into 2025 and 2026, just as we’ve seen since 2010.

 

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I read your post. I disagreed with it. Trump’s stench won’t lift as the incentives for the party to remain fascist will remain; a base living in an alt reality, a propaganda apparatus dependent on radicalizing viewers, and politicians scared to deal the of their own base. Trump will merely lie after he loses this year, the base will believe him, and this cycle will repeat itself.

Fascism in America didn’t start and certainly doesn’t end with Trump. We’ve seen the continued self-radicalization of the GOP since at least the tea party in 2009. That’s not going to change with a Trump defeat in 2024. Especially given how entrenched conservative disinformation and propaganda have become in our media and primary social media platforms.

The pressure to obstruct the Dems or face an extremist from the right flank will just continue into 2025 and 2026, just as we’ve seen since 2010.

The motivation to deny Ukraine aid is not fascism, it's Trump's campaign.