The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

[Deleted member 365]

The motivation to deny Ukraine aid is not fascism, it's Trump's campaign.

It’s a desire to play to the base to prevent a primary. Yes, influenced by Trump. Accelerated by him. But easily could have happened regardless if Trump were still alive. Republicans have obstructed Democrats, even if it meant turning the backs on their own principles, since 2010.

Until this incentive to play to the base is changed, this endless cycle won’t end.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Until this incentive to play to the base is changed ...

Or rephrased: Until politicians stop feeling compelled to represent the will of their constituents ...

I don't disagree that democracy is dumb but I still feel like I'm being punk'd.

 

[fishonjazz]

Or rephrased: Until politicians stop feeling compelled to represent the will of their constituents ...

I don't disagree that democracy is dumb but I still feel like I'm being punk'd.

So you believe that Republican voters are cheering for Russia and Putin and want Russia and Putin to destroy Ukraine?

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[Al-O-Meter]

So you believe that Republican voters are cheering for Russia and Putin and want Russia and Putin to destroy Ukraine?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[fishonjazz]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

We are talking about republican congresspersons not allowing aid for Ukraine. You are saying that is just the congresspersons representing the will of their constituents.

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[Al-O-Meter]

We are talking about republican congresspersons not allowing aid for Ukraine. You are saying that is just the congresspersons representing the will of their constituents.

My comment was directed specifically at The Thriller's 30,000 foot view of the problem in Washington DC, which is democracy. It isn't the first comment he's made in that direction and I don't think he is wrong there but it is amusing given his earlier concerns over losing our democracy.

Specifically to your question, yes it is the Senators representing the will of their constituents. I think you are deliberately mischaracterizing the sentiment as being pro-Putin or pro-Russia because no Senator is pushing aid for Russia or even a relaxing of sanctions against Russia. There is no large segment of the American population that is pro-Putin, although disturbingly there are some because I've met one, but they're pretty rare. There is an increasing movement of people who are isolationist or at least want some sort of plan with goals that when achieved will mark a completion. The sentiment of "We're there as long as it takes" isn't sitting well with many who are asking "as long as it takes do to what?" or "until who is satisfied?". Americans who believe along those lines are increasing and Senators are duly representing that.

 

[fishonjazz]

Specifically to your question, yes it is the Senators representing the will of their constituents. I think you are deliberately mischaracterizing the sentiment as being pro-Putin or pro-Russia because no Senator is pushing aid for Russia or even a relaxing of sanctions against Russia. There is no large segment of the American population that is pro-Putin, although disturbingly there are some because I've met one, but they're pretty rare. There is an increasing movement of people who are isolationist or at least want some sort of plan with goals that when achieved will mark a completion. The sentiment of "We're there as long as it takes" isn't sitting well with many who are asking "as long as it takes do to what?" or "until who is satisfied?". Americans who believe along those lines are increasing and Senators are duly representing that.

Good response. you are right.
Maybe the voters simply dont understand that not helping ukraine = helping russia and putin. They could actually be that dumb i guess.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

They could actually be that dumb i guess.

Half of people have an IQ below 100, and their vote counts as much as yours or mine.

 

[str8line]

My comment was directed specifically at The Thriller's 30,000 foot view of the problem in Washington DC, which is democracy. It isn't the first comment he's made in that direction and I don't think he is wrong there but it is amusing given his earlier concerns over losing our democracy.

Specifically to your question, yes it is the Senators representing the will of their constituents. I think you are deliberately mischaracterizing the sentiment as being pro-Putin or pro-Russia because no Senator is pushing aid for Russia or even a relaxing of sanctions against Russia. There is no large segment of the American population that is pro-Putin, although disturbingly there are some because I've met one, but they're pretty rare. There is an increasing movement of people who are isolationist or at least want some sort of plan with goals that when achieved will mark a completion. The sentiment of "We're there as long as it takes" isn't sitting well with many who are asking "as long as it takes do to what?" or "until who is satisfied?". Americans who believe along those lines are increasing and Senators are duly representing that.

Don't forget these are the exact same Republicans who were all about the sham Iraq war. They have no ability to weigh decisions based on their own analysis, they just side with and regurgitate whatever Fox News tells them. At the moment they're not worried about what's right or best for the USA, they're doing what the orange rapist tells them and trying to own the libs.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Don't forget these are the exact same Republicans who were all about the sham Iraq war. They have no ability to weigh decisions based on their own analysis, they just side with and regurgitate whatever Fox News tells them. At the moment they're not worried about what's right or best for the USA, they're doing what the orange rapist tells them and trying to own the libs.

This is a really good post.

Which is also why I don’t see much changing even if Trump choked on the cheeseburger from heaven today. There’s too much money for Fox News to make by continuing the same outrage propaganda they’ve served for years. For as long as I can remember, they’ve demonized educators, immigrants, women, blacks, the types of mustard Democrats use, and spread disinformation.

If Trump choked on the cheeseburger, another demagogue would fill his place. They might not be as effective as he is as far as leading a cult. But Fox News would still be telling millions of Americans everyday to distrust institutions, love whatever leader had an R by their name, election outcomes, and hate Democrats. Which is why I don’t see much if anything changing as far as immigration or Ukraine aid in 2025 after Biden is reelected. Fox News addicts have been conditioned to hate Ukraine and love Putin. They hate Central Americans and will continue to obstruct any solution. The outrage is just too profitable.

It’s too profitable for Fox, cuz it keeps viewers glued to the tv set.
It’s too profitable for Repubs, cuz they have a never ending issue to campaign on.
It’s too profitable for the base, cuz they can use immigration or foreign aid as excuses to primary principled republicans who fear a primary.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Don't forget these are the exact same Republicans who were all about the sham Iraq war.

That is simply ahistorical nonsense. There has been a significant amount of turnover in the past 20 years and if there was a face for that movement it would be Liz Cheney whose father was the architect of the Iraq War. Liz Cheney isn't winning any popularity contests on the right. The neocons are not in control of the Republican party.

Fox News too does not have the power they once had. Many on the conservative side split with them when they deplatformed Tucker Carlson. As much as you seem to want to relive the good old days, 2024 is a different time.

 

[str8line]

That is simply ahistorical nonsense. There has been a significant amount of turnover in the past 20 years and if there was a face for that movement it would be Liz Cheney whose father was the architect of the Iraq War. Liz Cheney isn't winning any popularity contests on the right. The neocons are not in control of the Republican party.

Fox News too does not have the power they once had. Many on the conservative side split with them when they deplatformed Tucker Carlson. As much as you seem to want to relive the good old days, 2024 is a different time.

I was referring to the base not Congress, as indicated by the Fox News reference. In referrence to your comment that the base wants to know where the war ends. But they don't. I can see where I could have been more clear though.