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The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

Al-O-Meter said:
Trump isn't the US President. If Putin is sensing an opportunity stemming from American weakness, his gaze is likely centered on a figure a bit higher and more current. That said, I think you are completely wrong in believing Putin is going to take over Ukraine. As I said earlier, there is an outside chance he takes a chunk of borderlands where there are a large population of ethnic Russians, but 80% of Ukraine is not ethnically Russian. Putin is very aware that Russia is not strong enough to quell that many Ukrainians. Putin isn't a moron. He knows if he did that the boys at the CIA would be jumping for joy as they figured out how to get weapons to Ukrainian freedom fighters. Russia isn't going to take Ukraine because it would be the end of Russia.
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Why is taking 20% okay?
 
babe said:
Zelensky so far as I know is a non-politician, a popular TV personality with I think a sense of humor in Ukraine, totally non=political. He was elected because of his anti-corruption views and promises.
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"I make car parts for the American working man because that's what I am."
 
Red said:
www.cnn.com

First on CNN: US intelligence indicates Russia preparing operation to justify invasion of Ukraine

The US has information that indicates Russia has prepositioned a group of operatives to conduct a false-flag operation in eastern Ukraine, a US official told CNN on Friday, in an attempt to create a pretext for an invasion.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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This is a joke, right?

Simplistic notions of world news might not be all that funny.

We will run the fake false flag unit for the Russians, blaring the news "Russia did it. It's part of the idea of messing up America like the open borders and cash for commies budgets. Then we will let Russia kick our *** while the Ukraine government bawls for help, which will all go into the corrupt pockets of Ukrainian politicos who always were Russian vassals. Russia will get the Donetsk while Biden winks and nods. Oh maybe we will only lose a bunch of cutting edge military technology to Russia, and a thousand of our patriots. But it will weaken our national will and maybe China will annex Formosa, which was not Chinese in the first place.

But hey, it's all good for business.
 
babe said:
This is a joke, right?
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Not on my part. And I think Fiona Hill is way smarter than you. Or me…

www.barrons.com

Commentary: Vladimir Putin Senses Weakness

Fiona Hill, a leading expert on Russia, says it's no 'accident that Putin has decided to act against the backdrop of Biden grappling with his own party.'
www.barrons.com www.barrons.com

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | Putin Has the U.S. Right Where He Wants It

Vladimir Putin’s aim is bigger than closing NATO’s “open door” to Ukraine and taking more territory.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Red said:
Not on my part. And I think Fiona Hill is way smarter than you. Or me…

www.barrons.com

Commentary: Vladimir Putin Senses Weakness

Fiona Hill, a leading expert on Russia, says it's no 'accident that Putin has decided to act against the backdrop of Biden grappling with his own party.'
www.barrons.com www.barrons.com

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | Putin Has the U.S. Right Where He Wants It

Vladimir Putin’s aim is bigger than closing NATO’s “open door” to Ukraine and taking more territory.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Fiona Hill might be smart, but she is dishonest.

While I can't say I know Putin or his mind, I believe on my own information that Putin meant what he said when the Soros bunch took over Ukraine. He considered that western-based fascist activist bunch to be a threat to Russia, and the takeover with talk of bringing Ukraine into NATO to be a breach of agreements with the START treaty wherein Russia agreed to withdraw the nukes from Ukraine, on terms. The explicit terms Putin agreed to was that the West/NATO would not gain Ukraine as a NATO or western team member. We agreed with that then. We lied.

Putin called us out condemning the UN system as being not a new world order or "New Law" or a system of world governance with orderly negotiations and settlements, but a kind of "NO LAW" wherein the western interests essentially had the character of thugs you should not trust in any way.

By breaching our commitments, we essentially declared war on Russia.

It is my guess that Biden/the Biden group/ understand his point and will make some adjustments he is asking for.
 
Excellent reading:

So all this Russian propaganda is untrue, but even if any of it were true, it would not justify invasions and threatened invasions. Is it meant to serve ideology or strategy? What we know for sure is that Russia’s leaders, whatever the ideology or strategy might be, believe in psychology. The one consistent element of Russian propaganda is that Russia has suffered and that it is the West’s fault — your fault. When Russia does something inexcusable, you are meant to be shocked, blame yourself and make concessions.
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Shock and guilt will not lead to peace. Security cannot be gained by chasing myths into a netherworld where Russians are always innocent, Ukrainians do not exist and Americans should take the blame for it all. If Russia gets what it wants by behaving badly and programming others to take the blame, expect more of the same in years to come.
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Sad how Tucker and much of the american right wing side with Putin here and blame America for Russia’s aggression.

 
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