The Thriller
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It’s pretty funny how the stuff you say is easily found by most media sources and fact-checking sources as false. Well done Capt Dumbass
The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread
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He's ancient and feeble. You gotta have at least a little tough talk. What exactly will the repercussions be? Spell it out. These come across as the words of a toothless man:
This:
"It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do, et cetera," Biden said Wednesday during his press conference.
And this:
At a press conference on Friday, US President Joe Biden said that he was "convinced" that Russian President Vladimir Putin would launch an attack into Ukraine in the coming days.
"As of this moment, I'm convinced he's made the decision. We have reason to believe that," Biden said at the conference, which came after his call with European leaders.
"We believe that they will target Ukraine's capital of Kyiv, a city of 2.8 million innocent people," Biden said. "We're calling out Russia's plans loudly, repeatedly, not because we want a conflict, but because we're doing everything in our power to remove any reason that Russia may give to justify invading Ukraine and prevent them from moving."
When pressed after his remarks, Biden said that the determination had been made because of the US's "significant intelligence capability," and that the invasion would likely take place in the "coming days."
The Thriller
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Hmmm
And yet the far right and left will find a way to blame the west.
And yet the far right and left will find a way to blame the west.
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The Thriller
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Jesus. It’s hard to tell whether you’re trolling or actually this naive/cynical.
Use Google for ****’s sakes. Or read any major article from The Times, Post, or BBC.
It’s pretty clear what the consequences will be:
- Devastating sanctions and increases of NATO forces in Europe.
- Putin will bring NATO to his doorstep if he proceeds with this invasion. NATO member countries will be bolstered militarily to combat the new Russian threat.
Biden issues stark Ukraine warning as Russia threatens ‘military-technical’ action
On a dizzying day of developments, the West accuses Moscow of seeking an excuse to attack.
www.politico.eu
Biden says US ready to give 'diplomacy every chance to succeed' in defusing Russia-Ukraine crisis
President Joe Biden on Tuesday made an appeal for diplomacy to continue as the world watches to see if Russian President Vladimir Putin orders an invasion of neighboring Ukraine, but also warned that a Russian attack on Ukraine will "be met with overwhelming international condemnation."
www.cnn.com
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The Thriller
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I noticed this as well. Bernie sanders is being attacked for being “too conservative” and some are even calling him a neo con for this tweet. This is where the far left and the far right (which is becoming mainstream right) make our politics to be so dumb. When Bernie sanders is too conservative for you… my goodness…
Al-O-Meter
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Thank you for proving to everyone that you don't bother to read.
You have no clue how Russia works. The richest, most powerful oligarch in Russia was Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Putin decided he wanted Khodorskovsky's oil company and so took it and put Khodorskovsky in prison. At least Khodorkovsky didn't accidentally ingest polonium-210. There is no oligarch or group of oligarchs who will stand up to Putin to make him withdraw his troops.
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FalseFlagg K
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Just love how ignorant academic twats who've never gotten out of their ivory towers or had any real world experience can vouch for their google searches being their tool of enlightenment that allows them the understanding of all political conflicts and posturing 
The Thriller
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Your posts? I rarely do. Why? Because in the past when I’ve tried to read your points, I found that you constantly lie, spin, and ignore the points brought by everyone else. No matter what, you see things as a zero sum game, an argument to be won. You still insist on arguing long after the argument has already been lost (like the democracy thread). It doesn’t matter whether most on the board disagree with you, you’ve been thoroughly embarrassed by one Brow, or destroyed with far more credible sources (like Fiona Hill). You still think you’re right and everyone else is wrong. So yes, you’re right, I rarely read your posts but the ones I do are so mind numbing in their ignorance and bias.
The Thriller
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You gotta love these Facebook warriors who see a few memes and Listen to Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro a few times and are now suddenly experts on vaccines, authoritarianism, and foreign policy.Just love how ignorant academic twats who've never gotten out of their ivory towers or had any real world experience can vouch for their google searches being their tool of enlightenment that allows them the understanding of all political conflicts and posturing
Weren’t you a few months ago talking about how natural infection was better than immunization? LOL talk about enlightened!
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To be fair, some types of data did indicate that imunity from contracting the disease was superior. However, in all cases, vaccinated people out-performed unvaccinated, and Douchebag K acknowledges that as well.
Well just tonight he said essentially that getting vaccinated doesn't do anything. His words were that it doesn't stop you from getting COVID, which I suppose he could attempt to defend, but the way the statement was made was that it didn't matter if you got vaccinated or not, which is idiotic...
The issue shouldn’t involve NATO countries’ troops. The real issue is sanctioning the **** out of Russian oligarchs and getting rid of Russian dark money in Europe. They call it Londongrad for a reason.
If Europe retaliates, as they should, then they’ll cripple the Putin regime. Oligarchs won’t like becoming social pariahs in the Europe they love to live in and party in and won’t exactly enjoy being without the billions in assets they love to play around with.
I found this article helpful
Only Putin Knows What Happens Next
He alone can make the choice to bring Europe back from the brink of a major war.www.theatlantic.com
I actually think the answer is boots on the ground and NATO troops on a permanent basis in Ukraine to contain Russian saber rattling. Problem is this, there is a definite war fatigue in the West, we had a long commitment to the war on terror for very little gain. And not just the US, the Germans, Dutch, British and Australians have made significant contributions to allied deployments in the Middle East and central Asia. France has had troops deployed actively engaging terror groups in Africa and still does.
Add to this the COVID situation, most western countries are now massively in debt as they have tried to cushion their societies through the burden of this pandemic, spending blood and treasure fighting in Russia would not be high on anyone's list of priorities. The Chinese cheer it on from the side-lines knowing that continued blood and treasure spent on conflicts will continue to strengthen their position against both the Russians and the west as a whole.
Now lets look at the prospect of war with Russia. For the first time arguably since the second world war the west will not be fighting an asymmetrical conflict, unlike fighting Vietnamese guerrillas in the jungle, or terrorists and 3rd world armies in the middle east they will now be fighting a modern, professional, equipped, motivated enemy. The west will not be able to deploy their air power as effectively as in any other recent conflict, Russian SAM capacity particularly at lower altitude will cause significant losses. The field craft of Russian soldiers will mean that ground targets will be significantly harder to spot and target. That said if NATO had mobilised they should have been able to put at least 100,000 European soldiers into the field, the Poles should commit everything they have to defend Ukraine and the US should have matched that commitment. Had there been 300,000 NATO troops in the theatre, maybe the Russians would have genuinely come to the table. Ukraine will be carved up like Czechoslovakia and Poland was by Hitler.
I very much agree with you.
Sanctions that I have seen in my lifetime have a very poor tack record of doing jack ****. They hurt normal people and ultimately make the U.S. the villains in the eyes of the poor, weak and disadvantaged because it's easy enough for the government to tell them that is it us doing all this harm to them, and it's not really a lie.
If you want to stand for something you need to be willing to actually stand there, not send threatening notes about all the stuff you're going to do to make their life harder while you sit on your ***.
Remember there was a time once when American policy makers used to know that it was "Important to look strong in front of the Russians." for the life of me I can't remember what comedy that line is from.
Shot in the dark as I'm on my way to bed...
Was it this one?
Might have been a Chevy Chase film but i would have guessed Caddyshack or Fletch
Yup. NATO should have amassed troops the second Putin's buildup was verified. They let him waltz in and take over Crimea. That was just a test for this. Western Europe has the most to lose. Germany's new Chancellor Scholz wouldn't even take Nordstream 2 off the table. They are making their bed.
Al-O-Meter
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Too expensive. All that needs to be done is to threaten the pipelines. Nearly every oil and gas pipeline from Russia to Europe runs through Ukraine or Belarus. Without that revenue Russia will collapse. The revenue from those pipelines accounts for almost half of all revenue for the Russian government. It would be a shame if one of those Russian rounds intended to hit troops or a kindergarten accidentally veered 200 miles off course to blow up a pumping station on accident.
Red
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I can’t argue with that. The trouble is I just don’t trust you, ever since you started the “United States is not a democracy” thread. I concluded the purpose of the thread was to establish some criteria that would allow you to dismiss the events of 1/6 as much ado about nothing, as a way of saying “what democracy, lol, there’s nothing to see here”. And you have dismissed the 1/6 Committee altogether. After that thread, and the conclusion I reached as what your motive was for that thread, I stopped reading your comments on most subjects. You may have valid points here, I mean of course I know Russia took Crimea in 2014, etc.
But Fiona Hill impressed me during the impeachment hearings, and she likely has more experience than you where Putin is concerned. So, not fair maybe, but that’s the way it goes sometimes.