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The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

fishonjazz said:
The hold that trump has over his supporters really is amazing.
He has them convinced that Putin is the good guy and not the dictator and didn't start the war when he invaded Ukraine.
Crazy stuff.
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And if he had made a glorious deal with Zelensky today and criticized Putin as a ruthless dictator and warmonger his followers would be explaining why that was the exact right thing for him to do. But it went the other way, so they are currently explaining why getting into a shouting match in front of the press in the Oval Office and kicking Zelensky out of the White House was the exact right thing for him to do.
 
Sardines said:
And if he had made a glorious deal with Zelensky today and criticized Putin as a ruthless dictator and warmonger his followers would be explaining why that was the exact right thing for him to do. But it went the other way, so they are currently explaining why getting into a shouting match in front of the press in the Oval Office and kicking Zelensky out of the White House was the exact right thing for him to do.
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You are confused. Peace was the goal- that doesn't change in either of your scenarios. What ironic and hypocritical is how you and your bluanons counterparts have reacted and would have reacted had peace been achieved. Trump would have been wrong had peace been achieved and Trump is also wrong because Zelenskyy wont negotiate and wants to rule over the ashes of a ruined country. I don't expect that you will see the difference, but oh well.
 
Those of you taking issue with Zelensky and his attempt to the prolong the war, let me ask you. Should China invade the United States with superior drones and AI (hypothetically), and our military and people weakened terribly, with casualties of more than one million dead (roughly the same percentage of the population)…should we then simply succumb? Give in so as to prevent more deaths? Is what Zelensky is doing prolonging an unwinnable war or is he simply trying to be just and not allow Russia to take over their country?
 
Tremendous Upside said:
No, the goal is to get Russia the **** out of Ukraine.
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Then you must be thrilled with Zelensky's derailing of the peace process. Now the war to get Russia out of Ukraine can continue without end in sight. Zelensky might even have just made Russia conquering all of Ukraine the only way the war can end, as he won't allow peace and ruined the relationship with his military's largest backer.
 
Zelensky sniffed out Trumps desperation for a deal and a political win and flexed all over him in front of the whole world. Brilliant. Standing up for his country and not allowing Trump to rip him off.

Because there are no assurances of defense, there is no deal here. Trump can’t be trusted and if those assurances are not there, Trumps deal is garbage for Ukraine.

Trust is so important in negotiations. Because no trusts Trump, he’ll have to sweeten his deals and everyone else will come with belts and suspenders.

Fart of the Deal.


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Miggs said:
Is what Zelensky is doing prolonging an unwinnable war or is he simply trying to be just and not allow Russia to take over their country?
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The point of the war was to ensure the continued existence of Ukraine. The war's aims were accomplished. Ukraine kicking Russia out of all territory taken since 2014 wasn't going to happen. Ukraine had done what it needed to do, and the United States was willing to help rebuild. Zelensky ruined all of it. Zelensky may have single-handedly made Russia taking all of Ukraine inevitable. In one boneheaded meeting, Zelensky just snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Zelenksy just betrayed all of those who died in the effort of fighting for an independent Ukraine.
 
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