The Paths Forward From Here

[Tremendous Upside]

Knicks are just in a weird spot. A lot of good players around Brunson and Randle and its unsustainable to pay them all starting next year. Will have to start making some choices. If they want to retain Grimes, IQ, hartenstein then they need to move some other dudes.

Hartenstein? Guys who can do what he does for the Knicks can be picked up from the scrap heap these days. Non-shooting, non-rim-protecting backup centers are a dime a dozen.

 

[KqWIN]

You want to give Quickley $25M/year when DeAnthony Melton is making $8M? Even if you think Quickley is comparable to Derrick White ($18M), do you still want to pay him that much?

Try getting Melton at $8M and White at $18M. Spoiler: You cannot. It’s like saying why would we want anyone at a max when we have Lauri at $17M. What you’re presenting is a false decision.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Hartenstein? Guys who can do what he does for the Knicks can be picked up from the scrap heap these days. Non-shooting, non-rim-protecting backup centers are a dime a dozen.

Nah he will get about what he has been getting. He’s much better than a scrap heap big.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

The next two games are against the Heat and Mavs at home. I'd like to see us be competitive in both games and win at least one of them. If we can do that then maybe we are close enough to being competitive that we can make a few upgrades to make it happen.

If we look bad and too far away then it's time to have a conversation with Lauri. Is he willing to wait for a couple of years to be competitive, or is he getting anxious to get to the playoffs.

There is no way our FO would make decisions based on two games, but that's where I'm currently at.

 

[KqWIN]

The potential is for him to get a 4/160M offer in restricted FA. 5/125M would be fine for him. If we got him this offseason we could have done that and even had the values decline so it was a complete bargain by the end. At this point you are at the mercy of the market and it could really hamper your ability to do more around those guys.

RFA is hard to predict. Sometimes it inflates a guy’s value, sometimes it’s the other direction like what happened with Reeves. If Quickley gets a 4/160 offer, it could be because some other team is trying to F with us….but imo, it would more likely be the result of Quickley producing like he did last season as a starter.

Hopefully you could arrange this beforehand. Ideally this would have been done before the season to lock it in, but a 5/$125 deal for Quickley would actually be a steal imo. If you make it flat, that’s only 17% of the cap to begin with and based on projections that would drop to 14-15% by the end of it.

I think Murray has a larger reputation and therefore would automatically have a higher price. The certainty in his deal also counts for a lot. He will just cost a lot more than Quickley imo, and all things contract related equal I prefer Quickley as a player.

 

[tksavis]

You want to give Quickley $25M/year when DeAnthony Melton is making $8M? Even if you think Quickley is comparable to Derrick White ($18M), do you still want to pay him that much?

It’s a different economic era in terms of salary cap and player salary ranges. What IQ is apparently looking for won’t seem that crazy very soon

 

[KqWIN]

I know it’s not necessarily the same people, but we have people still thinking John’s contract is fine and also people queasy about paying Quickley $25. Get real!

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Nah he will get about what he has been getting. He’s much better than a scrap heap big.

He is, but that's why I said they could replace him with an even cheaper guy. He's playing a basic bruiser role for the Knicks.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

RFA is hard to predict. Sometimes it inflates a guy’s value, sometimes it’s the other direction like what happened with Reeves. If Quickley gets a 4/160 offer, it could be because some other team is trying to F with us….but imo, it would more likely be the result of Quickley producing like he did last season as a starter.

Hopefully you could arrange this beforehand. Ideally this would have been done before the season to lock it in, but a 5/$125 deal for Quickley would actually be a steal imo. If you make it flat, that’s only 17% of the cap to begin with and based on projections that would drop to 14-15% by the end of it.

I think Murray has a larger reputation and therefore would automatically have a higher price. The certainty in his deal also counts for a lot. He will just cost a lot more than Quickley imo, and all things contract related equal I prefer Quickley as a player.

Austin had some other limitations but yes… RFA will do some things. I think there will be some desperate teams with space that will go hunting for a guy like IQ.

I think you could get in front of it and offer like 5/150 and hopefully he doesn’t go shopping for a better market or higher offer. I think the new cba allows convos with your own FAs early.

I agree Murray likely costs more. He’s under contract and also has been traded recently so has a “comp” kind of.

Either guy may cost us our pick this year on top of the acquisition cost. Price that in however you want. There is a chance we’d stay below the protections I suppose but it will be close.

In reading an article Knicks wanted IQ at 18M he wanted closer to 25… a very reasonable number. The fact they balked tells me they think they will move him or view him as a bench player… or they have a cap budget they don’t want to exceed. It’s weird not to find common ground if they plan on keeping him long term.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He is, but that's why I said they could replace him with an even cheaper guy. He's playing a basic bruiser role for the Knicks.

He’s likely starting the rest of the season and will likely be the replacement starter when Robinson goes out for 30 games each year. We can say they can just get a scrap heap guy but how’d that work for Phoenix this year?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If we wanted Murray we should play the Quin loves Jordan Clarkson card and put him in the deal. I mean they had matching custom hats about Jordan letting the bleeper fly. Get them back together. Hawks already have the worst defense and you can't get worster than worst.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Nah he will get about what he has been getting. He’s much better than a scrap heap big.

Scrap heap is probably overstating it, but he's a pretty average big. Whatever Thibs is doing with him hasnt come close to that year he had for teh Clippers.