Nightmare
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I am happy to turn both you and your GF on.
The Serial Podcast
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I am happy to turn both you and your GF on.
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I'd be interested to know who you guys think is the killer?
I thought Jay had a pretty sweet deal - he knows all the details of the murder, he had the cell phone, had access to Adnan's car, but at the end he made a deal with the prosecutor and got off with no jail time. Too many inconsistencies in his story also didn't help. But he can't be the killer cos where's the motive?
When it comes down to it - it's pretty hard to argue against the "Nisha call". Adnan had to have been there to make that call as it's his friend not Jay's. Also it's really peculiar how Adnan cannot account for his movement that day when it should have been a pretty memorable day for him.
I'd be interested to know who you guys think is the killer?
I thought Jay had a pretty sweet deal - he knows all the details of the murder, he had the cell phone, had access to Adnan's car, but at the end he made a deal with the prosecutor and got off with no jail time. Too many inconsistencies in his story also didn't help. But he can't be the killer cos where's the motive?
When it comes down to it - it's pretty hard to argue against the "Nisha call". Adnan had to have been there to make that call as it's his friend not Jay's. Also it's really peculiar how Adnan cannot account for his movement that day when it should have been a pretty memorable day for him.
Nightmare
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**Spoiler beyond the podcast**
Someone came out on reddit most likely named Bilal a Bosnian Muslim and said that he knew adnan when he was younger and Adnan was an *******, would also lie without any shame and do things like steal money from the Masjid/Mosque donation box and brag about it and also hire prostitutes. Then Rabia confirmed that she knows Bilal on twitter and Bilal knew Adnan but states Bilal is a troubled individual and is a liar and also a pedophile to discredit him. However in doing so this she confirmed that it really was bilal and he knew adnan. This makes me think adnan is guilty, I would be on the fence before. However, I don't think there is enough evidence to prosecute him.
https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2k529r/adnan_is_a_psychopath_close_friends/
This is what Yusuf (Adnan's brother) said before he deleted his comment ""No he is only doing this because there is an episode about him coming up and he is scared that everything about him will come out. I have no problem with someone making these accusations against my brother yea Adnan stole money from the donation box. Me and my friends use to steal Air heads and sodas from the vending machines. I used to get into fights to and talk about weird stuff. Its called being a teenager and most of the people at the masjid have done worse. The prostitute thing does not make any sense Adnan was getting alot of girls why go to a prostitute. Like I said this is bilal trying to save face"
Someone came out on reddit most likely named Bilal a Bosnian Muslim and said that he knew adnan when he was younger and Adnan was an *******, would also lie without any shame and do things like steal money from the Masjid/Mosque donation box and brag about it and also hire prostitutes. Then Rabia confirmed that she knows Bilal on twitter and Bilal knew Adnan but states Bilal is a troubled individual and is a liar and also a pedophile to discredit him. However in doing so this she confirmed that it really was bilal and he knew adnan. This makes me think adnan is guilty, I would be on the fence before. However, I don't think there is enough evidence to prosecute him.
https://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2k529r/adnan_is_a_psychopath_close_friends/
This is what Yusuf (Adnan's brother) said before he deleted his comment ""No he is only doing this because there is an episode about him coming up and he is scared that everything about him will come out. I have no problem with someone making these accusations against my brother yea Adnan stole money from the donation box. Me and my friends use to steal Air heads and sodas from the vending machines. I used to get into fights to and talk about weird stuff. Its called being a teenager and most of the people at the masjid have done worse. The prostitute thing does not make any sense Adnan was getting alot of girls why go to a prostitute. Like I said this is bilal trying to save face"
Should we just make it so from this point onwards we can discuss things without having to put *** spoilers *** on our post?
Pretty sure most of us here would have caught up on the podcast???
Pretty sure most of us here would have caught up on the podcast???
fallenchicken
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Adnan did it. I don't know if there was enough evidence to convict him. But as an audience member... come on, he did it. It's weird that Sarah Kenig (or whoever you spell her last name) wants him to be innocent so badly when... it's just so obvious... that he did it.
Nightmare
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Jay knew where the car was without being told and gave the whole story. Adnan doesn't remember how his day went even though he talked with cops which is fishy. His counter to Jay saying Adnan did it? Nothing. Jay knows who did it and it is most likely Adnan. I agree with you.
Btw I found Jay's and Stephanies facebook. I heard Mr. S also has facebook but I couldn't find it.
fallenchicken
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Yeah, I think Adnan meant for Jay to be his alibi... when Jay snitched, it left him without one.
Well call me crazy but I think Jay was the one who did it alone. It was Stephanie's birthday that day and Adnan who was Prom King and Steph who was Prom Queen were just too close. Jay was soooo into Steph. That day Adnan had gotten the gift for Steph but Jay hadn't. Moreover I think I heard somewhere that Hae & Adnan both knew that Jay hadn't been faithful with Steph - Adnan could have been threatening Jay about this leading to Jay snapping that day.
I think all that amounts to some sort of motive for Jay which should have been investigated more.
Think about this:
- Jay has the motive
- Jay has Adnan's phone and car that day
- Jay has 6 whole weeks to figure out his story and make sure it makes sense before the police questioned him.
- Adnan who was in the dark about the whole thing and still had no idea what was going on that day Hae went missing, snow storm hits the following 2-3 days after that meaning his memory was gonna be fuzzy.
- And about the Nisha call you say? Well she mentioned that she talked to Jay when he was working at the video store - which he wasn't at the time Hae went missing. So that call that Nisha remembered I think was referring to a different date during the 6 weeks period.
I don't think you can put too much weight into this. If we assume for the time being that he's innocent and just went about that day like any other day then:
- During that day, the Police was questioning him about the disappearance, and NOT accusing him as the murderer, therefore there is no need for him to retrace his step to figure out exactly what he did that day.
- Also remember that according to Jay, Adnan was smoking most of that day hence the hazy memory.
- Police finally questioned/charged him 6 weeks later, making it even harder to recall how that day went for him.
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Personally I think Jay really played Adnan here. Think about it, the only thing separating Adnan and Jay is the fact that Adnan has a motive (albeit a shaky one), if we can figure out Jay's motive - he can be just as guilty as Adnan.
Nightmare
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This is great, I really enjoy debating these things. My thoughts.
First of all Stephanie sided with Jay instead of Adnan. I think this is huge as if these really was something between Adnan and Jay and Jay was just jelly I don't think Stephanie would have supported him so closely and not Adnan.
Why doesn't Adnan remember anything from that day? He was questioned by the police, he should have remember some more details. Also he doesn't accuse Jay of being the killer. I know he doesn't want to accuse someone without knowing 100% but if I were Adnan and innocent and Jay accused me of murdering someone so adamantly I would have been way more defensive and angry towards Jay.
(Not in Podcast yet) Yusuf, Adnan's brother, admitted that Adnan used to steal money from the Masjid/Mosque. That ****ed up.
Jay would have to be the most sociopathic intelligent criminal mastermind of all time to murder Hae and accuse Adnan of it. All this without any slip ups? There should be more incriminating evidence out there.
This is all that comes to my head so far.
Did Stephanie finally found out that Jay was cheating on him? I don't think so?
I went into this in post #21. Basically the original questioning was to do with Hae's disappearance and not accusing him of murder so it's a different type of mindset required there. Makes him less likely to retrace his step that day. Plus he was smoking weed, etc.
IF he was the killer - why during that 6 weeks period didn't he come up with a FAKE story???? A logical explanation is that he's innocent and truly cannot remember the exact details of what happened 6 weeks earlier.
Yeah I don't have a good answer for that neither. Could be that that's the type of person he is.
OK, but Jay made plenty of slip-ups in terms of inconsistencies, i.e., where Adnan showed him the body, etc, etc, etc. Jay's job was made MUCH MUCH easier when the police basically decided that he was on their side (when he showed them where Hae's car was).
Just listened to an interesting podcast by slate.com discussing this case after Episode 8 (basically discussing Jay as a potential suspect). In this podcast they had a special guest Jami Floyd who used to be a public defender, advised the White House, worked for Court TV, etc. She shed some interesting light on what she thought about the case.
Main thing I got from her was that the case against Adnan is pretty thin, and the verification bias to do with Jay, i.e., the problem with trusting a 'snitch', Jay was facing a life sentence as well but the police trying to put forward a compelling case therefore they didn't treat him as a typical suspect.
https://soundcloud.com/slateradio/serial-ep-8-slates-spoiler-special
Main thing I got from her was that the case against Adnan is pretty thin, and the verification bias to do with Jay, i.e., the problem with trusting a 'snitch', Jay was facing a life sentence as well but the police trying to put forward a compelling case therefore they didn't treat him as a typical suspect.
https://soundcloud.com/slateradio/serial-ep-8-slates-spoiler-special