The Serial Podcast
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The Blue Elephant
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I think the purpose of this podcast to show just how feeble the court of law is, not necessarily to save adnan. Though I would be curious what yalls opinion on Sarah's opinion on Adnan is? I have an irrational vibe that I think she thinks he is guilty but won't admit it to due to Rabia.
That's a pretty interesting take. I don't know what she thinks but I do think she has avoided pressing too hard, although that could be for a number of reasons, not the least of which would be Adnan refusing to talk to her anymore.
So, one episode left...
Any predictions?
I'm guessing it's going to be a major letdown for most people. It turned into a murder mystery, but it's not a murder mystery. Adnan is doing life +30 and while he's eligible for parole you have to admit guilt, show remorse and show rehabilitation in order to get parole. He isn't doing that. But maybe he's pragmatic enough he'll admit guilt and get that ball rolling as soon as the possibility of any appeal or other intervention is all but gone.
It'd be cool if SK has a bombshell waiting for us, but I'm not expecting it.
Any predictions?
I'm guessing it's going to be a major letdown for most people. It turned into a murder mystery, but it's not a murder mystery. Adnan is doing life +30 and while he's eligible for parole you have to admit guilt, show remorse and show rehabilitation in order to get parole. He isn't doing that. But maybe he's pragmatic enough he'll admit guilt and get that ball rolling as soon as the possibility of any appeal or other intervention is all but gone.
It'd be cool if SK has a bombshell waiting for us, but I'm not expecting it.
Dang bro, how'd you figure that out on Nov. 29th 2014?
The Blue Elephant
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Because she mentioned it on a podcast she is afraid it ends up nowhere before than? Everyone figured that out before end of November.
fallenchicken
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Adnan did it. It'll be interesting to see where the serial killer thing leads the innocence group, though.
Perhaps he did it.
But I'll mention it again, and again, that if the burden of proof in a trial is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, I'm not sure how any reasonable person could believe that no reasonable doubt exists.
fallenchicken
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Oh i think reasonable doubt exists. I'm not saying I would have convicted him. But like that one person in today's podcast...he's either guilty, or the unluckiest man alive. Not saying it's impossible that he's innocent, but very improbable.
Here's what I feel:
Adnan doesn't have a real motive, and there are giant holes in his case that haven't been explained and probably never will be.
It seems very unlikely that Jay did this on his own and framed Adnan. That story has even bigger holes.
Jay almost certainly was involved in the murder, however. As we heard from his coworker today, Jay was freaking out about the cops coming to pick him up, and he was apparently afraid of Adnan. Was he setting Adnan up even then, to his coworker at a porn store? Wow, he's a criminal mastermind.
On the offchance that it was a serial killer or some other third party, we now have to believe that Jay's story was entirely coerced by the police and prosecution. We'd have to accuse the cops of essentially giving Jay the whole story, and information as to where the car is. Could of happened. Testimonies are coerced all the time. But to get him to completely make the whole thing up and stick to the story...
I was listening to a podcast on Grantland about serial the other day, and Chuck Klosterman made a great point: imagine that Adnan wasn't in prison. Imagine no one had been convicted, that this was a completely unsolved murder. If we had all these same information about the case, wouldn't we all be saying, it must have been that Adnan guy.
Beantown
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But if the "Serial" Killer did it than how does Jay know where her car was dumped and know that Hae was strangled?
Yeah, to me that's the ultimate bottom line. I'm really not sure if Adnan did it or not. I waver, but one thing's for certain, I have much more than just a shadow of a doubt.
fallenchicken
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATXbJjuZqbc#t=319 snl really nailed it.
Hotdog
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Well, one thing is for sure, either Jay or Adnan did it, or both. Right? Why else would Jay say all things he has. The fingerprint of the crime is on them. Maybe someone else was involved, maybe not. Doesn't matter.
One guy is pointing in the direction of the other, while the other is not pointing back. What kind of dumbass would not point back at the other guy pointing at him if he were innocent. I heard Adnan say when asked by the podcast girl, while he was in jail, who he thought might have done it. He said he don't know, he didn't even mention Jay. How would it not have occurred to you yet, that the guy accusing you of these things may be the one who did it? It doesn't make sense to me
That leaves only one possible answer. Adnan did it, and Jay is douche bag who should be rotting in jail right beside him for at least not trying to stop it.
One guy is pointing in the direction of the other, while the other is not pointing back. What kind of dumbass would not point back at the other guy pointing at him if he were innocent. I heard Adnan say when asked by the podcast girl, while he was in jail, who he thought might have done it. He said he don't know, he didn't even mention Jay. How would it not have occurred to you yet, that the guy accusing you of these things may be the one who did it? It doesn't make sense to me
That leaves only one possible answer. Adnan did it, and Jay is douche bag who should be rotting in jail right beside him for at least not trying to stop it.
Adnan is pursuing an appeal. He needs to be careful about what he says. He has a lawyer and I'm sure the lawyer is advising he not say certain things.
I don't find the "he isn't acting the way I imagine I'd act if I had any ****ing idea what his situation was like" argument very compelling, tbh.
Hotdog
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Well, we aren't in court, and we don't have to be technical. So we can go off our instincts a little more than usual. None of us are really ever gonna know.
Like I said, it fairly obvious that either Jay or Adnan or both were invloved. We can come to that conclusion because Jay admits as much. No one in there right mind is going to place themselves inside the story just because they feel like making up some crap. Either Jay did it, and he framed Adnan. Or Adnan did it. It's only two choices. With a small possibility that one or more of their friends were invloved also. Nevertheless, one or both was still involved. I think we can safely jump to that conclusion without feeling guilty about whether or not we are being fair. I think that removes a lot of doubt and questions about whether we are on the right trail.
We have two choices. It's either Jay or Adnan.You got a 50/50 shot at guessing which one it is. Everything points to Adnan. Yes, Jay is an idiot, and lied, a lot. Who cares. My instincts tell me it's Adnan. He can't remember where he was during the murder. The call to Nesha. The weird human behavior of not counter blaming Jay. Jay saying it was Adnan. Adnan's motive is simple, he's a butt hurt ex boyfriend, etc....
Ya, it's not exactly evidence. But do we really need a clear cut case to see what's going on here? Who cares that he is well spoken, a good football player, smart, charming, etc... That doesn't mean anything.
This all about the liberal movement to expose racial injustices in the court system. Which I'm all for. But at least pick cases that are actually injustices. Or at least appear to be. This case seems pretty simple imo. I don't know what everyone is so hung up on. Of course you are never going to get a perfectly painted picture when liars, manipulators, and idiots are involved in the story telling. Sometimes, if not most of the time, detectives in murder cases are going to be missing some of the evidence. You might not be able to directly link your suspect.
Maybe, a mistake was made in his conviction in that their technically wasn't enough evidence to convict, but I still think they got the right guy.
The Blue Elephant
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A third option is Jay was forced by cops to blame it on Adnan and neither did it.
I see that as an actual option, although pretty unlikely.
Ritz, the lead detective, got in trouble a few years after this case for using a "2-step" interrogation process in which he pre-interrogates suspects and witnesses while not recording, then once they hash out the details he turns on the tape and they run back through the interrogation for the record. He would feed info to witnesses and then record them feeding it back.
Jays story doesn't make any sense.
There is one piece of info Jay provides that makes him special, the location of the car. That's all Jay has.
His timeline is impossible, all 4 of them.