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The Trade Favors and Add a Replacement In Free Agency Thread

karl malone said:
Favors' age, defense, character, contract, & improving mid-range jump shot make him the 2nd most valuable player on this team. The only way he should be traded is in a blockbuster that brings in a superstar, which is unlikely (although should be considered if the right deal ever came along).

I know this is blasphemy on Jazzfanz, but the player this thread should be about is Hayward. He is one of the best 2-way players in the NBA, represents everything that this franchise stands for (with his hustle, work ethic, character, etc), & is the reason that our offense wasn't near the bottom of the league statistically last season, but he can opt-out in 2 years (when Exum projects to become a significant contributor- meaning when we project to legitimately compete) & will likely require a max contract extension under the new salary cap (which very few players will be worth even if the cap does rise to 100 mil), if he's even interested in re-signing (which I expect him to be unless we're still a lottery team, although you never know).

Unless there is any indication that he would consider signing for less than the max, which is possible, but would likely depend on us being legitimate championship contenders by then (which may prove difficult with Exum starting), I think it needs to be considered. As much as I love Hayward & what he brings to this team, I'm not sure he will be worth 20+ mil, & to lose him for nothing just as we begin to become truly competitive would set back the franchise more than Al/Sap walking did (or trading him now would). We could wait a year but his value would be significantly lower due to his opt-out clause.

Not saying we should necessarily trade Hayward, just that if we're going to have a thread about dealing one of our big three, it should be about him instead of Favors.
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Utah should not be trading anyone named Rudy, Gordon, Derrick or Dante right now. Depending on how the season goes however, I agree that Hayward will be our first concern.
 
♪alt13 said:
Assume we trade and get the 4th pick and a 2017 nyc first for Favors.

Trade: 4th, 12th, our 2017 first, Knicks 2017 first, OKC 2017 first, GSW 2017 first and Exum for Anthony Davis.


Hayward, Davis, Gobert, OMG
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Where do people come up with this ****?
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Damnit HH, I even said Tia. Favors is officially the most underrated player in Utah now. Utah is on the verge of something special, and Favors is a big part of that. There are many reasons why Favors isn't getting traded, and I'm on my phone right now, so I can't write the book of a post I'd like to, so I'll make it short for now. It's a terrible idea and it ain't happening.
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This.

I wanna strangle the people who advocate trading Favors.

Worse idea I've ever heard on this site.

Dead ****ing serious.
 
Are ppl really that bored that they come up with topics like this? Gobert, Hayward and Favs are our top three players for the Jazz. Favs and Gobert are the Jazz's defensive front that will tear it up next season.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
To me the question is Paul Millsap (assuming we can get him... the super trustworthy Spence Checketts said its a "done deal") and Porzingis (could bust or could be an all-star and may be a better fit long term) vs. Favors and whatever FA we can bring in... I'm just not sure what we can land that fits that wouldn't leave us with a potential playing time log jam.

The fourth pick has yielded Russel Westbrook, Chris Paul, and Chris Bosh during the last ten years... It has also brought some busts like Dion Waiters and Wesley Johnson... and some good players like Mike Conley, Tyreke Evans, and Tristan Thompson.

If DL believes our core is good enough to be a contender then I wouldn't make a move... if we still believe we need to take a risk this wouldn't be the worst move ever.

this is extremely unlikely, but is kind of interesting to discuss to me... I think Checketts is talking out of his butt again about the Millsap stuff.
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Didn't Checketts guarantee also guarantee ole dude that used to coach Utah was going to be our coach?

Why trade Favors? Why? Why even make a thread about this? .... Why?
 
In response to Smurf:

Agreed, the safest bet is to hold onto those 4 & hope Exum develops quickly. With having Favors locked in for the next 3 years & the ability to match any offers Gobert may receive as a RFA, those 2 appear to be our long-term building blocks. Depending on how Exum progresses & the team performs next year, we will have to evaluate where we stand & potentially decide between Exum & Hayward. Gordon's opt-out clause really puts pressure on Exum to develop quickly. If he takes a major step forward & the team makes the playoffs, I imagine that we add around them & make a push towards being a top 4-5 seed in Hayward's opt-out year, but if Exum struggles &/or we miss out on the playoffs, I could see the FO either trading Exum in a package deal for immediate help in order to entice Hayward to re-sign or trading Hayward so as to not risk losing one of our most valuable assets for nothing. Let's just hope that Exum makes a Gobert-like improvement between year 1 & 2 & there won't be any decision to make.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Maybe... if you can replace a decent part of what Favors does with your cap space it might be worth taking the chance... I wouldn't say its much more likely the 4 is a bust. More likely than not... sure.
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We could clear up cap space to get a player either way. That has nothing to do with the trade. The trade is #4 pick for Favors. That is a bad trade.

Favors is a borderline all star player who is getting better every year. #4 pick is a crap shoot. Maybe if we were starting over with the rebuild then fine, get rid of older players and try your luck in the draft but we are not. We are a team hoping to make the playoffs with good young players.
 
Why do we want to trade a 6'10 PF who is improving his skill level and can guard any position?

Close thread.
 
Cy said:
Why do we want to trade a 6'10 PF who is improving his skill level and can guard any position?

Close thread.
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Ultimately because he doesn't have a three point shot. Favors is perfect except for that one missing skill, but I think it could be a big one in DL's eyes. He wants to build a team in the SA mold.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Ultimately because he doesn't have a three point shot. Favors is perfect except for that one missing skill, but I think it could be a big one in DL's eyes. He wants to build a team in the SA mold.
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Uhh SA often plays two bugs who don't shoot 3's.
 
karl malone said:
Favors' age, defense, character, contract, & improving mid-range jump shot make him the 2nd most valuable player on this team. The only way he should be traded is in a blockbuster that brings in a superstar, which is unlikely (although should be considered if the right deal ever came along).

I know this is blasphemy on Jazzfanz, but the player this thread should be about is Hayward. He is one of the best 2-way players in the NBA, represents everything that this franchise stands for (with his hustle, work ethic, character, etc), & is the reason that our offense wasn't near the bottom of the league statistically last season, but he can opt-out in 2 years (when Exum projects to become a significant contributor- meaning when we project to legitimately compete) & will likely require a max contract extension under the new salary cap (which very few players will be worth even if the cap does rise to 100 mil), if he's even interested in re-signing (which I expect him to be unless we're still a lottery team, although you never know).

Unless there is any indication that he would consider signing for less than the max, which is possible, but would likely depend on us being legitimate championship contenders by then (which may prove difficult with Exum starting), I think it needs to be considered. As much as I love Hayward & what he brings to this team, I'm not sure he will be worth 20+ mil, & to lose him for nothing just as we begin to become truly competitive would set back the franchise more than Al/Sap walking did (or trading him now would). We could wait a year but his value would be significantly lower due to his opt-out clause.

Not saying we should necessarily trade Hayward, just that if we're going to have a thread about dealing one of our big three, it should be about him instead of Favors.
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Hayward will be worth every penny he's going to get next year.
 
First to those saying we shouldn't discuss things that won't happen... That's what 90% of this damn board is... It's just an idea.

To those saying we could only trade favors for an established star... Those guys only come available when there are potential contract issues. We'd likely have to take a big risk that player would resign... It is more likely we would get a star by drafting in the top five. I don't see that strategy as any less risky than acquiring a top 5 pick that may become a star.

If we are able to use our current cap space to lure a decent free agent I'd be much less likely to do the deal, but it's tough to see a free agent that is high quality, gettable, and that would want to come because of the chance they might not have as big of a role on our team than other options.

This is an idea I hadn't seen discussed and thought it was interesting.... We can now go back to talking about the same 5 draft prospects, the same free agents, and the same 3 trade ideas we always talk about.
 
♪alt13 said:
heyhey
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Handlogten's Heros said:
Maybe... if you can replace a decent part of what Favors does with your cap space it might be worth taking the chance... I wouldn't say its much more likely the 4 is a bust. More likely than not... sure.
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Jazz are not in a position where they need to start playing Moneyball. They're young, flush with cash (cap space), elite defense, have an all NBA wing, and LOTS of talented prospects. And the #12 pick.

The Mavericks, the Cavs, and the Spurs, they have to play Moneyball. Those teams need to use a lot of fancy analytical footwork to replace statistical value and find undervalued assets and **** like that.Plus ownership is willing to put up the money required, as long as it fits DL's vision.

The Jazz just need to keep the best players they have, of whom Favors is like #2,3, or 4, depending if you value potential over production. Why would the Jazz want to just scrap him? For fun?

Do they look like the gotdamn sixers to you?

But if it's for Anthony Davis? I would trade ANYONE.
 
Favors is right now a tier 2 approaching tier 1 player in this league. The only way we trade him is for a proven tier 1 player. If we could bundle Favors and a few other minor assets to land Anthony Davis, for example.

And Cappy is right, he is under-rated on this board.
 
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