This made me kinda sad today...

[infection]

Absent solid opinion we should probably have less, rather than more restrictive legislation based on it, no?

I’m not sure what specific application you have in mind. Mine is more “so-and-so said this, so that’s what we did, therefore that’s exactly what always happens, or even that’s for certain based on our case, etc.”

i.e. guy protects his family from an intruder using his bump stock, intruder leaves and his family is safe. We should never take away his ability to protect his family by banning the bump stock.

 

[Zombie]

I’m not sure what specific application you have in mind. Mine is more “so-and-so said this, so that’s what we did, therefore that’s exactly what always happens, or even that’s for certain based on our case, etc.”

i.e. guy protects his family from an intruder using his bump stock, intruder leaves and his family is safe. We should never take away his ability to protect his family by banning the bump stock.

I'm talking about abortion law specifically. You said you'd be more comfortable with a more narrowly written law, but if the law is going to be based on fallible expert opinion, then perhaps it should be less narrow so there is more freedom for each individual who is faced with such a nightmare decision.

 

[infection]

I'm talking about abortion law specifically. You said you'd be more comfortable with a more narrowly written law, but if the law is going to be based on fallible expert opinion, then perhaps it should be less narrow so there is more freedom for each individual who is faced with such a nightmare decision.

More narrowly written than “life or health of the patient.”

 

[Zombie]

More narrowly written than “life or health of the patient.”

Or they could just leave all that out and leave it up to the woman...

 

[infection]

Or they could just leave all that out and leave it up to the woman...

And that’s the crux of the issue. I think birth privilege is a thing. All these laws are conceived of and passed by people who have never been aborted. So, yeah, I think it’s more about gaining ground than it is about the health fantasy, just as the conservative “saved someone with my guns” fantasy enables a lot of other bad stuff to happen.

 

[Gameface]

This has been an interesting exchange. I commend infection, Zombie and fishonjazz for a respectful and thoughtful discussion.

Thank you all.

 

[Zombie]

And that’s the crux of the issue. I think birth privilege is a thing. All these laws are conceived of and passed by people who have never been aborted. So, yeah, I think it’s more about gaining ground than it is about the health fantasy, just as the conservative “saved someone with my guns” fantasy enables a lot of other bad stuff to happen.

That's fair enough. I disagree on the count of birth privilege but I can understand the position. I agree with the health fantasy aspect.

 

[Hotdog]

I think Infection makes a great point about birth privilege. All these alive people discriminating against the unborn. Its not right.

If the baby is female, why doesn't she get to choose what happens to her body?

 

[fishonjazz]

I think there are pro life people..... These people believe that abortion is wrong but understand that there are rare circumstances when abortion may be the right decision.

I think there are anti abortion (forced birth) people..... These people believe that there is never a time for an abortion to be done and think all should be illegal regardless of circumstances.

Then there are pro choice people..... These people believe that abortion is a very hard, sad choice the some women/girls make and support those women/girls and their families and doctors for whatever decision they make and have compassion for all involved.

Then there are pro abortion people who don't really care about how or why an abortion is done and figure it's no one's business and helps keep population control down and keep less unwanted people in society to grow up to have a negative effect on society.

I hope that the vast majority fall into categories 1 and 3.

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[gandalfe]

Also, in the third trimester, delivering a non-viable fetus is always safer than aborting and then delivering the non-viable fetus.

Where did you serve your OB residency?

 

[Stoked]

Where did you serve your OB residency?

Irrelevant. Instead of trying to attack his credentials go at his information. Is it factual?

A plumber can tell me how to fix my car. And if he’s right he’s right. Regardless of wether he is the expected, recognized source.

 

[infection]

Where did you serve your OB residency?

I did a residency in another specialty. Where’d you do yours?