This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

[fishonjazz]

You have an incredible ability to start with a narrative, and then create evidence to support it.

You don't agree that quin is more passionate and fiery than Corbin and that it seems to work on his players?

 

[LogGrad98]

Hate to break it to you, but that same player was on the roster last year and got neglected

Hate to break it to you but we really don't know what player Gobert was last season.



Of course that was because he was languishing behind washed-up vets for some ****-all only knows why reason, but I digress.

 

[franklin]

I don't dispute that Corbin got stuck in a crappy situation. But he was in way over his head right from the start. He alienated the young core players with his rotations and minute dustribution, and I don't believe that he was a very good developmental coach. I think he was just trying to hang onto his job and the young guys suffered as a result. He just seemed disorganized and had s poor feel for how to lead a team. Nice guy. Good assistant coach. Terrible head coach.

That's not true in the least. Corbin proved his system and play preferences were the most efficient use of the Mo-Sap-Jefferson-Foye combination. We bitched about how stupid he was all season long, then the advanced stats came out proving Corbin to be a strategic genius using what (little) he had.

 

[franklin]

That said, I still think Quin is beyond Ty in coaching ability. He takes more time to overtly talk to his players, he isn't as rigid with subs and roles, and I think he uses time outs and manages the clock better. I think you could also make a case for him being better for player development.

I'm convinced Quin is worth +1.5 wins over Corbin, which can be pretty significant at this level.

However, I am worried how long it will take fans to sour on how hard he is on the players, and start bitching that he's killing free agency for the Jazz the same way Sloan's hard *** allegedly did.

 

[gregbroncs]

One more person who has failed to read Franklin's posts in this thread. Dude didn't pick Corbin, didn't have a problem with him being fired, and is satisfied with Quin.

I don't understand why inserting a new system should raise the win threshold, however. If anything, starting from scratch should lower expectations. Look what's going on in Atlanta in Year Two...

I don't think you have read Franklin's posts in this thread.

 

[Stoked]

I'm convinced Quin is worth +1.5 wins over Corbin, which can be pretty significant at this level.

However, I am worried how long it will take fans to sour on how hard he is on the players, and start bitching that he's killing free agency for the Jazz the same way Sloan's hard *** allegedly did.

I'd say that is about 3-4 years off if the Jazz are winning and thenonly if players start grumbling. If they start losing and the players object we could see it as early as next season.

 

[gregbroncs]

I'm convinced Quin is worth +1.5 wins over Corbin, which can be pretty significant at this level.

However, I am worried how long it will take fans to sour on how hard he is on the players, and start bitching that he's killing free agency for the Jazz the same way Sloan's hard *** allegedly did.

Well I'm convinced he is worth 1.5X as many wins as Corbin. He started the year with a younger roster and has already surpassed Ty's win total for the year. That despite more games lost to injury. And installing a new system on both ends of the floor and fixing all the crap the players were taught to do under Ty. Player's no longer stand around and watch the guy with the ball, They no longer guard empty space instead of plays, and they rarely just dribble the ball in place for the majority of the shot clock.
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This team with Corbin is probably pushing for a top 3-5 pick. Not winning more than 5 games in a row. Last years team quite on Ty and they showed it after the all star break. I didn't see any of the players defending TY when he was fired. Not even the players leaving the team.

 

[GVC]

I don't think you have read Franklin's posts in this thread.

I just re-read all of them. His point has pretty consistently been that Ty wasn't nearly as bad as most posters on Jazzfanz think. He's stated that he thinks Quin>Corbin (above), and at the start of the thread agreed with everything freak said in a post that included the FO letting Corbin go. In this thread and many others, he's been happy to engage people on coaching/strategy. Few have reciprocated.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I'm convinced Quin is worth +1.5 wins over Corbin, which can be pretty significant at this level.

However, I am worried how long it will take fans to sour on how hard he is on the players, and start bitching that he's killing free agency for the Jazz the same way Sloan's hard *** allegedly did.

I think Quin has more of an ability to know how to get through to different players and not all emphatic measures to achieve the same end are the same either. And while I'm sure Sloan alienated some free agents, I think the bigger issue was how lame Utah was or at least how lame it was perceived. As the church continues to crumble and secularism continues to bloom and spread through the valley, some of those realities will change and the perceptions will follow.

Yeah, I'm a dick.

 

[The Midnight]

I just re-read all of them. His point has pretty consistently been that Ty wasn't nearly as bad as most posters on Jazzfanz think. He's stated that he thinks Quin>Corbin (above), and at the start of the thread agreed with everything freak said in a post that included the FO letting Corbin go. In this thread and many others, he's been happy to engage people on coaching/strategy. Few have reciprocated.

.... except the title of this thread is "This season will vindicate Ty Corbin".



Uhh... no it didn't. In fact the opposite is true.

 

[NUMBERICA]

One more person who has failed to read Franklin's posts in this thread.

Add me to the list. I know the title of the thread and I know the point he tried to make. Whether it's a real opinion or a misadventure in devil's advocacy, the point he tried to argue (and is trying to continue to argue) is ****ing burning wreckage. Group-think is stupid, but to suggest that there's somehow a laurel to be granted for contrarianism strictly because it's contrarianism is half-baked and equally stupid.

 

[fishonjazz]

Add me to the list. I know the title of the thread and I know the point he tried to make. Whether it's a real opinion or a misadventure in devil's advocacy, the point he tried to argue (and is trying to continue to argue) is ****ing burning wreckage. Group-think is stupid, but to suggest that there's somehow a laurel to be granted for contrarianism strictly because it's contrarianism is half-baked and equally stupid.

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