This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

[LogGrad98]

Whoa...I thought you were dead, or underwent gender reassignment or something.

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[The Midnight]

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You guys live pretty close now right? May be you can get together and have a yarn?

 

[DutchJazzer]

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who says i'm back.


just got some money from my online book. so came here to respond in my over under thread.

then saw this corbain gem. aah the good ol reliable alfense. there was a time when defense and offense where inferior to the all mighty all in one ALFENSE

 

[Getting Traded]

I think people like GVC and Numberica (not so much) who defend Franklin have it wrong. He did at first try to make a cogent argument in defense of Corbin, but the more it became evident he was wrong, the more staunchly he defended it. He just couldn't bring himself to admit he was wrong, and despite the overwhelming evidence now, he still won't.

I probably am one of the foremost Corbin haters on the board. Not because I disliked the guy but because of the pathetic way the Jazz played while he was the coach (that's not to say there weren't one after another stupid decisions on his part). The thing that is so refreshing about Quin is his enthusiasm and passion, but it's obvious as well that this guy knows what he is doing.

 

[Nate505]

The original premise of this thread is great

 

[Zulu]

Hate to break it to you but we really don't know what player Gobert was last season.



Of course that was because he was languishing behind washed-up vets for some ****-all only knows why reason, but I digress.

Except as soon as he got time on his National team for the World Cup he started ballin'!!!

 

[Nate505]

Unless you used to be someone else, you haven't been around long enough to understand Franklin. He added a much needed contrary element to the groupthink on the board, and almost always supported his arguments with insightful information. Instead of engaging him intellectually, the vast majority of people on the board threw **** around like ****ing apes, and effectively drove him away. He pops up now and then to troll a little now, probably because there's no one left willing to have an intelligent, nuanced discussion on the Jazz board.

That's fine. And in this case he was wrong. Dead wrong. As wrong as one can possibly be wrong. And the idea that he was done sort of innocent guy who didn't dish out his fair share of antagonism is comical.

 

[gregbroncs]

That's fine. And in this case he was wrong. Dead wrong. As wrong as one can possibly be wrong. And the idea that he was done sort of innocent guy who didn't dish out his fair share of antagonism is comical.

Exactly. I don't remember a franklin that was not a troll. He dishes out more hate toward posters that disagree with him that he receives yet some good posters on here fail to see it. He has not brought a new argument to the Corbin debate in years. Just continually trying to troll the same subject to prove he was right. Can't admit he was wrong, so he'll continue to troll the subject to death.
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When is the last time you read a Franklin post in the Jazz forum that was not about Corbin? If they are there I haven't seen them or don't remember them. Corbin has been gone almost a year and he still brings him up and bumps this thread continually.

 

[zman1527]

I think people like GVC and Numberica (not so much) who defend Franklin have it wrong. He did at first try to make a cogent argument in defense of Corbin, but the more it became evident he was wrong, the more staunchly he defended it. He just couldn't bring himself to admit he was wrong, and despite the overwhelming evidence now, he still won't.

I probably am one of the foremost Corbin haters on the board. Not because I disliked the guy but because of the pathetic way the Jazz played while he was the coach (that's not to say there weren't one after another stupid decisions on his part). The thing that is so refreshing about Quin is his enthusiasm and passion, but it's obvious as well that this guy knows what he is doing.

I would love to hear franklin call in to a radio show with knowledgeable hosts to discuss his current view that QS is only a +1.5 to Ty. I really would. Most folks know that when they can barely see the top of the hole and the dirt keeps falling back in on them to stop digging that hole.

 

[franklin]

"Team not intentionally designed to fail"


Yet we have what, 7 rookies on roster?


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Youngest roster in the NBA, having played the fewest games together in the NBA, and having the best defense in the NBA for 6 weeks now (via Locke). With Hood being a complete non-factor for one reason or another for most of the season, Burks sitting out most of the season, Trey Burke being mostly sun-baked dog ****, Exum playing alarmingly timid for the vast majority of the season, Enes Kanter being a ****ing baby, and having a bunch of D-Leaguers/scrubs fill out the roster on top of all of that. Richard Jefferson and Marvin Williams aren't world-beaters, but as supporting cast players, they're better than Joe Ingles, Elijah Millsap, and the revolving cast of non-NBA players that have spent time in the rotation because they've been short two or three NBA players for pretty much the entire season. What a ridiculous statement.

Utter bull ****! You two arguing that starting a roster with a rookie point guard in a historically ****ty draft class and JLIII, Tinsley, & Garrett, and a backup big man rotation behind an unproven Enes and patently inconsistent Favors being Jeremy Evans and Marvin Williams at the 4, and a raw as they come rookie and Andris Biedrins at the 5, with no stretch four whatsoever, and chucking, no defense Burks as the 6th man off the bench wasn't one of the worst constructed teams of all time, but this one was?

Talk about grasping at straws to support your pov. A little more intellectual honesty is expected of you two.

Add me to the list. I know the title of the thread and I know the point he tried to make. Whether it's a real opinion or a misadventure in devil's advocacy, the point he tried to argue (and is trying to continue to argue) is ****ing burning wreckage. Group-think is stupid, but to suggest that there's somehow a laurel to be granted for contrarianism strictly because it's contrarianism is half-baked and equally stupid.

I became a fan when the numbers proved all the criticisms about Ty Corbin to be nothing more than fan angst from half-witted mid-20's men who never grew out of teenage know-it-all syndrome.

I don't see any reason the rest of you continue ignoring what the numbers have shown.

That's fine. And in this case he was wrong. Dead wrong. As wrong as one can possibly be wrong. And the idea that he was done sort of innocent guy who didn't dish out his fair share of antagonism is comical.

That's nice. I've never seen you be right about anything. In fact, I've never seen you post anything besides jumping from one anti-coaching tirade to the next. Hell, you've even been on Quin's *** already for not doing what Nate thinks best. It's only a matter of time before you start calling for his head as well, and flipping on this group of players as fast as you've flipped on everyone else in the past.

At least you're predictable.

I would love to hear franklin call in to a radio show with knowledgeable hosts to discuss his current view that QS is only a +1.5 to Ty. I really would. Most folks know that when they can barely see the top of the hole and the dirt keeps falling back in on them to stop digging that hole.

They would all agree with me. Any talk show host worth me talking with understands the minimal impact coaching has on this game. On the open air they may argue with me to appease fans like you, but once the mic's were off they'd agree, thank me for the insight and stimulating conversation, then invite me back whenever I felt like coming.

I'd say that is about 3-4 years off if the Jazz are winning and thenonly if players start grumbling. If they start losing and the players object we could see it as early as next season.

Either way it'll be nonsense. Sloan never ran off anyone chasing a paycheck and neither will Quin. But that won't stop the bitching and moaning.

 

[franklin]

Well I'm convinced he is worth 1.5X as many wins as Corbin. He started the year with a younger roster and has already surpassed Ty's win total for the year. That despite more games lost to injury. And installing a new system on both ends of the floor and fixing all the crap the players were taught to do under Ty. Player's no longer stand around and watch the guy with the ball, They no longer guard empty space instead of plays, and they rarely just dribble the ball in place for the majority of the shot clock.
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This team with Corbin is probably pushing for a top 3-5 pick. Not winning more than 5 games in a row. Last years team quite on Ty and they showed it after the all star break. I didn't see any of the players defending TY when he was fired. Not even the players leaving the team.

The team likely fights for the playoffs with Corbin here, especially if he pissed off Kanter earlier than Quin did. I think Corbin would have benched his *** even faster, considering his track record of playing anyone (including Marvin at the four) trying to keep Kanter off the floor. Quin gave Kanter more minutes.

Also, with Corbin the team wouldn't have started off so slow due to continuity, and we'd likely be legitimately in a playoff hunt right now.

Exactly. I don't remember a franklin that was not a troll. He dishes out more hate toward posters that disagree with him that he receives yet some good posters on here fail to see it. He has not brought a new argument to the Corbin debate in years. Just continually trying to troll the same subject to prove he was right. Can't admit he was wrong, so he'll continue to troll the subject to death.
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When is the last time you read a Franklin post in the Jazz forum that was not about Corbin? If they are there I haven't seen them or don't remember them. Corbin has been gone almost a year and he still brings him up and bumps this thread continually.

Actually, as you well know, I mainly ignore you because you never have anything not bat **** crazy to say. Until you pester the hell out of me, at which point I let you know you aren't worth pissing on to put a fire out.

 

[candrew]

The team likely fights for the playoffs with Corbin here.

I'll be passing around the committal papers later tonight.