This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

[Gameface]

He stated in that post I quoted that Corbin would be better for this team this year. I did not put those words in his mouth. He has said a lot of other things about Corbin that are equally laughable. And that is why a lot of us dislike Franklin. He's not just defending Corbin against irrational hate. He fuels it.
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Corbin did a few things well, very few. I'll admit to being a Corbin Hater. I gave him 2 full season's before I jumped on that bandwagon. What I saw was a coach that routinely got outcoached. That was terrible at some of the most basic aspects of coaching (end of games, adjustments, playing to the players strengths, etc.) The whole Corbin saga would barely be mentioned anymore on this site if Franklin would drop it and admit he was Wrong or intentionally trolling. He can't honestly believe anything that happened this season vindicated Ty Corbin. Yet he's still arguing it.

Fair enough. I do think at times franklin is poking a stick in our collective eye just for kicks, but he makes many very solid points that his haters refuse to acknowledge.

 

[Stoked]

Sounds about right to me. With all the improvement, rough start last year, and a team now not intentionally designed to fail, I think if Snyder can push that up to 40 wins then I'll be wrong about Corbin.


Keep in mind I didn't set the parameter, the fan base did. Why is everyone like Core4 trying to whitewash everything they wrote about it last season? Saying the Jazz were a 48 win 6th seed if Hornacek were here.

Going back and re-reading this thread. The bolded jumped out at me.

That might happen.

 

[gregbroncs]

Going back and re-reading this thread. The bolded jumped out at me.

That might happen.

To me that was an unrealistic expectation set by him to prove he was right. The fact that the Jazz are getting close to it and he is still arguing that Corbin was in fact vindicated is a big part of the problem. If he does admit he was wrong if they get to that total I'll be shocked. I've seen no indication that Franklin will ever admit he was mistaken in any way. If they don't get to that total he proclaim victory, even though it was his unrealistic expectation to begin with.

 

[Nate505]

Not defending Ty. The team sucked horribly at the end of the year. But that team sucked anyways. They had such a terrible roster that they could not help but suck. I liked Ty in his first full season as head coach. I started to see later that he was not the guy we wanted coaching the team long term. Ty seemed to get worse under pressure. No one here, including Frank is saying that they want Ty back, or like him as a head coach.

If you are going to call Ty a bad coach though, at least recognize the situation that he was put under. He led an Al Jefferson led team to the best record Al Jefferson has ever experienced, and then he was given a terrible roster meant for tanking to get a high pick. In Sacto, they are just a total mess. They might have called Corbin a mistake, but that is next to meaningless, as they have made nothing but mistakes in the last decade.

Yeah, his situation wasn't great. He didn't help anything either. He played vets way too much. Quin actually plays rookies and gives them multiple chances, even when things don't go well. Under Ty how many minutes would Exum have got...and if there were some scrub like JL3 does anyone want to wager how many minutes he would have got over Exum?

This is all belied by the larger point...that this thread is called "This Season will Vindicate Ty Corbin." Well, has it?

 

[gregbroncs]

Yeah, his situation wasn't great. He didn't help anything either. He played vets way too much. Quin actually plays rookies and gives them multiple chances, even when things don't go well. Under Ty how many minutes would Exum have got...and if there were some scrub like JL3 does anyone want to wager how many minutes he would have got over Exum?

This is all belied by the larger point...that this thread is called "This Season will Vindicate Ty Corbin." Well, has it?

According to the OP it has.

 

[Stoked]

I don't think there is a good argument that Corbin did not get a fair shake here. Maybe in Sactown but here he was given chances and different challenges each year and he failed most of those challenges. Quin was given a far more daunting task this year that Corbin ever was. He had a younger roster, with no bench, and no real vets. Yet the team has outperformed what was expected. I don't think you can argue that in a single season under Corbin that the team outperformed reasonable expectations.
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Even in Sactown that end of game fubar and after game interview may have been his final downfall. That was inexcusable by a veteran NBA coach.

By fair shake I mean a legit chance to win. The Jazz signed and traded for, players like Rush, Biedrins and JLIII. That team has no chance of winning.

Glad we have Snyder and I think he is the right man for the job. But Corbin's failures are as much on the FO shoulders as his own.

In short: this season will not vindicate Corbin in any way. It also will do barely anything to vindicate his haters. He's gone and good luck to him.

 

[Nate505]

Going back and re-reading this thread. The bolded jumped out at me.

That might happen.

That tells you everything. Everything.

He gave Quin what everyone at the time thought was a totally unrealistic expectation to hit (being 2 games below .500 with a team that is the youngest in the NBA and had at the time was thought of no bench whatsoever), and Quin just might do it.

 

[b_line]

Yeah, his situation wasn't great. He didn't help anything either. He played vets way too much. Quin actually plays rookies and gives them multiple chances, even when things don't go well. Under Ty how many minutes would Exum have got...and if there were some scrub like JL3 does anyone want to wager how many minutes he would have got over Exum?

This is all belied by the larger point...that this thread is called "This Season will Vindicate Ty Corbin." Well, has it?

lol, can you imagine Ty coaching this years team? He's thinking "I don't want to play any more damn rookies" then he looks at the bench and realizes he can only play like 5 non rookies. "Trey, Gordon, Derrick, you guys ready for 48 minutes?"

 

[mrob]

Yeah, his situation wasn't great. He didn't help anything either. He played vets way too much. Quin actually plays rookies and gives them multiple chances, even when things don't go well. Under Ty how many minutes would Exum have got...and if there were some scrub like JL3 does anyone want to wager how many minutes he would have got over Exum?

This is all belied by the larger point...that this thread is called "This Season will Vindicate Ty Corbin." Well, has it?

Corbin was not on board with what needed to happen here. We had veterans here that should have been helping and coming off the bench (in most cases). Instead of making the development of our young guys the priority, he took every opportunity to lean on the veterans to try to squeak out a few wins.

I don't think he was on the same page of Dennis Lindsay either. It kind of reminds me of the movie Moneyball where the coach didn't agree with what the GM was trying to do, so the GM just traded away all of the players.

 

[gregbroncs]

By fair shake I mean a legit chance to win. The Jazz signed and traded for, players like Rush, Biedrins and JLIII. That team has no chance of winning.

Glad we have Snyder and I think he is the right man for the job. But Corbin's failures are as much on the FO shoulders as his own.

In short: this season will not vindicate Corbin in any way. It also will do barely anything to vindicate his haters. He's gone and good luck to him.

We didn't expect him to win that season. And none of those players really should have played all that much (including Jefferson). The fact that they did is maybe the biggest indictment against Corbin. That season was about development and getting the young guys to play together and learn to play defense. That they didn't because of the coach is my biggest complaint.

 

[gregbroncs]

By fair shake I mean a legit chance to win. The Jazz signed and traded for, players like Rush, Biedrins and JLIII. That team has no chance of winning.

Glad we have Snyder and I think he is the right man for the job. But Corbin's failures are as much on the FO shoulders as his own.

In short: this season will not vindicate Corbin in any way. It also will do barely anything to vindicate his haters. He's gone and good luck to him.

Fair enough. But this organization was not asking him to win. He didn't do what the franchise wanted, so to me he had a fair shake and failed.

 

[Nate505]

We didn't expect him to win that season. And none of those players really should have played all that much (including Jefferson). The fact that they did is maybe the biggest indictment against Corbin. That season was about development and getting the young guys to play together and learn to play defense. That they didn't because of the coach is my biggest complaint.

Last year Rudy got a whopping 10 minutes a game under Ty, and had plenty of DNPs. Evans got 18.3. I actually like Evans more than many people here do, but that's coaching malpractice there.

Compared to say Dante this season. He's getting 21 minutes a game this season, and probably doesn't deserve that many. But he's getting them, because developing him is critical to the future success of this team.