This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

[LogGrad98]

This is all hindsight, though. At the time, Kanter was more time sensitive as an asset. Same thing with this season. Everybody knew Rudy deserved the starting role, but Utah was trying not to lose Kanter for nothing. To me, that suggests that the coach and GM are on the same page, otherwise if it was just about winning, I'd have to believe that Quin would have made the change sooner.

Of course it is hindsight, but also insight into different philosophies. And if it were purely a question of Kanter plays OR Rudy plays and there was no other factors that is dead on. But there was no reason both Kanter and Gobert couldn't have gotten minutes last season at the expense of playing rented vets. But imo Corbin inherited a belief that young players are best developed by spending a few seasons watching before playing, and I disagree with that philosophy. Look at Williams playing behind McLeod and Palacio of all people. You might say it lit a fire in him to compete. You could also say it was minutes wasted on a 2nd year guard over your star rookie PG, while the other star guard from that draft was handed the reigns and leapt to the top. You could also say that lighting that fire also lit a fire of resentment when he saw how crappy the 2 guys were getting minutes ahead of him.

It's gotta be tailored to the player, and the same rigid system does not work for every player. But imo cutting a young players minutes, unless he or the team obviously will not benefit from it (like for perennial D league players or if your team is already a contender) does more to hurt development than help it.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

How anybody can believe that this season has vindicated Corbin in any way is beyond my comprehension. Not only is it crystal clear that the Jazz are better off with their current coaching staff, but Corbin somehow got another head gig this season and failed at that one too. Vindication is the exact opposite of what this season has done for Ty Corbin.

 

[Stoked]

How anybody can believe that this season has vindicated Corbin in any way is beyond my comprehension. Not only is it crystal clear that the Jazz are better off with their current coaching staff, but Corbin somehow got another head gig this season and failed at that one too. Vindication is the exact opposite of what this season has done for Ty Corbin.

I will not hold Corbin accountable for that fiasco at all, not even 1%. In fact the way the Kings did Corbin is shameful imo. They stuck him in as HC after rashly firing the current coach. Then as soon as they did they very publicly started wooing George Karl. Corbin never, ever got a fair shake or chance from the Kings.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I will not hold Corbin accountable for that fiasco at all, not even 1%. In fact the way the Kings did Corbin is shameful imo. They stuck him in as HC after rashly firing the current coach. Then as soon as they did they very publicly started wooing George Karl. Corbin never, ever got a fair shake or chance from the Kings.

Of course, because none of us saw that coming, did we.

 

[Stoked]

Of course, because none of us saw that coming, did we.

We all saw it coming but I'm not gonna use it as an indicator of Corbins coaching ability. I will use his tenure witt the Jazz and based on that performance I am glad he is gone and thrilled with SNyder.

 

[Gameface]

I will not hold Corbin accountable for that fiasco at all, not even 1%. In fact the way the Kings did Corbin is shameful imo. They stuck him in as HC after rashly firing the current coach. Then as soon as they did they very publicly started wooing George Karl. Corbin never, ever got a fair shake or chance from the Kings.

I say sure, give Ty a free pass. But one thing is for sure, he didn't use his freebie to do anything to boost his resume. Just like he couldn't wrap his mind around the goal the Jazz organization had last year and saw it as a no-win situation. It was only a no-win if Corbin either thought he was being assessed based on number of wins or if he knew he couldn't get the team to develop a defensive identity. He basically had a free pass last year to get creative with a team no one expected to win. Instead he coached the team like they were in a "win now" situation when they were set up for development and not winning now.

I'd put money on him being the very worst HC in the history of the NBA when it comes to short clock situations and end of game/qtr.

Ty lacks creativity and apparently situational awareness.

 

[Stoked]

I say sure, give Ty a free pass. But one thing is for sure, he didn't use his freebie to do anything to boost his resume. Just like he couldn't wrap his mind around the goal the Jazz organization had last year and saw it as a no-win situation. It was only a no-win if Corbin either thought he was being assessed based on number of wins or if he knew he couldn't get the team to develop a defensive identity. He basically had a free pass last year to get creative with a team no one expected to win. Instead he coached the team like they were in a "win now" situation when they were set up for development and not winning now.

I'd put money on him being the very worst HC in the history of the NBA when it comes to short clock situations and end of game/qtr.

Ty lacks creativity and apparently situational awareness.

I agree that Ty did nothing with the Kings to improve his resume. Is Ty even on staff anywhere?

 

[nightmare3983]

I agree that Ty did nothing with the Kings to improve his resume. Is Ty even on staff anywhere?

When George Karl got hired the Kings made Ty an advisor to the front office, which probably really just means they're just paying him. Assistant coaches usually don't get hired during the season.

 

[nightmare3983]

Even though the OP is completely wrong, I'm surprised nobody has posted this yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf5qrVdD9E0

 

[infection]

Even though the OP is completely wrong, I'm surprised nobody has posted this yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf5qrVdD9E0

I was about to but opted for the Corbin meme.

 

[franklin]

Last year Rudy got a whopping 10 minutes a game under Ty, and had plenty of DNPs. Evans got 18.3. I actually like Evans more than many people here do, but that's coaching malpractice there.

Compared to say Dante this season. He's getting 21 minutes a game this season, and probably doesn't deserve that many. But he's getting them, because developing him is critical to the future success of this team.

Well, another way to look at that would be that practices this year must be far more effective than practices last year, considering his jump in performance.

As far as taking minutes away, there were plenty being given to rented vets. Did us no good.

Too much speculation for me. There's a much simpler explanation anyway. That, and you seem to have completely forgotten just how bad Rudy was a lot of the time last season. Exciting, sure, but bad at many things.

Gobert is a confident dude, and if anything, Quin pushed that confidence up a notch when the time was right. He had to gain muscle and quit getting bullied, and quit making stupid fouls and going for pump fakes. He proved he could do that two months into the season and then Quin pushed him to use his confidence to full effect by playing his game without limitations.

As much as you think there is a what if here, Corbin just did not have that opportunity last year. If he had, there is a good likelihood Kanter gets benched sooner, and also that he isn't fired for his lack of defensive identity. It's pretty damn easy to defend the perimeter when the opposing team is scared ****less of driving on Gobert and Favors (James Harden hahalmafo).

 

[franklin]

I say sure, give Ty a free pass. But one thing is for sure, he didn't use his freebie to do anything to boost his resume. Just like he couldn't wrap his mind around the goal the Jazz organization had last year and saw it as a no-win situation. It was only a no-win if Corbin either thought he was being assessed based on number of wins or if he knew he couldn't get the team to develop a defensive identity. He basically had a free pass last year to get creative with a team no one expected to win. Instead he coached the team like they were in a "win now" situation when they were set up for development and not winning now.

I'd put money on him being the very worst HC in the history of the NBA when it comes to short clock situations and end of game/qtr.

Ty lacks creativity and apparently situational awareness.

Again, this narrative fails to account for the growth that the vets assisted the young guys with. Corbin played vets over undeserving rookies and youngins to keep some semblance of a system for these kids to learn from and grow within.


What you and Log are asking for is Corbin to go the Philadelphia route. Go back in time and watch them "develop" talent the last couple seasons and then come back and tell me you still hate the way Ty did it. Besides, as GVC has pointed out a million times, Corbin never played vets over the young guys. They were complimentary both from a minutes standpoint and usage rate. No other team in the NBA had 5 guys averaging double figures shot attempts per game (Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Burks, Burke).