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This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

So wait.. now that Corbin, whom played Richard Jefferson 30 minutes a night is gone we're talking about how he could've been the best coach ever?
 
freakazoid said:
Let me see if I get this straight. You think everything was just peachy right up to the moment Jerry quit? The team absolutely imploded, and somehow Jerry had absolutely no responsibility in that, but people constantly want to bring up a season in which Jerry coached us to ok instead of crappy, as if it's some great accomplishment.
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Jerry Sloan was a great coach at a time, and IMO, not only are some people ignoring the half of the story they don't like, they are tarnishing Jerry's legacy by continuing to use a mediocre season as the measuring stick for what kind of a coach he was. Jerry would most likely **** himself laughing, if he knew fans routinely use that particular season as an example of his coaching ability.
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Seasons are up and down. . His win percentage when he quit speaks for itself. If you were to average all the win percentages of all the active teams in the league over their existence, the .575 that jerry was at in a 'mediocre' year would still be good for fourth best among franchise averages. That speaks to the testament of jerry, a mediocre season (one that also could've seen the team improve had he stayed, who knows? NBA seasons are volatile) was still 7 wins over 500. I think there was some disappointment, but I would stand behind my reasoning that Jerry's coaching was not to blame for 'wheels falling off'.
 
Surprised it hasn't been mentioned, but that team started out 27-13, with Deron and Millsap carrying an underwhelming supporting cast (Big Al was not fitting in next to Deron at all). The wheels did sorta fall off after that, and the Jazz went 4-10 before Jerry quit. Jerry didn't just walk away from a team lacking talent, he walked away from a team that had started to fall apart (rapidly).
 
GVC said:
Surprised it hasn't been mentioned, but that team started out 27-13, with Deron and Millsap carrying an underwhelming supporting cast (Big Al was not fitting in next to Deron at all). The wheels did sorta fall off after that, and the Jazz went 4-10 before Jerry quit. Jerry didn't just walk away from a team lacking talent, he walked away from a team that had started to fall apart (rapidly).
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Agree. And a huge part of that was the rift between the PG and the coach. I give Ty a complete pass for the end to that horrible season.
 
Jazz Games Started Leaders 2009/10: Carlos Boozer (78), Deron Williams (76), Mehmet Okur (73), Ronnie Brewer (53), Wes Matthews (48)

Jazz Minutes Played Leaders 2009/10: Deron Williams (2802), Carlos Boozer (2673), Paul Millsap (2277), Mehmet Okur (2149), Wes Matthews (2025), Andrei Kirilenko (1681), Ronnie Brewer (1662), CJ Miles (1497), Kyle Korver (952)


The Jazz lost 4 of their 5 most frequent starters, and 5 of their 9 minutes leaders. They effectively swapped Okur and Boozer for Big Al and Francisco Elson (also added a rookie Jeremy Evans), and swapped Brewer, Matthews and Korver for Raja Bell (and Gordon Hayward). The team overperformed to open the season (I think they were also undefeated in preseason), but fell apart when Deron and Millsap started wearing down. It shouldn't have come as any surprise that Deron was frustrated, given the gutting of the team AND Jerry's insistence on trying to force Al to play like Boozer (painful to watch). Even without Sloan's departure and Deron's subsequent trade, that team would have been incredibly lucky to make the playoffs.
 
Quin >>>>>> Ty. You could see it tonight against the Pistons, with Gordo taking over. Q ball is a system that gets him good shots, gets him comfortable, gets him one on ones. Last year as the designated scorer, which he still is, he was constantly double teamed and hassled. That is coaching, the good and the bad.
 
GVC said:
Jazz Games Started Leaders 2009/10: Carlos Boozer (78), Deron Williams (76), Mehmet Okur (73), Ronnie Brewer (53), Wes Matthews (48)

Jazz Minutes Played Leaders 2009/10: Deron Williams (2802), Carlos Boozer (2673), Paul Millsap (2277), Mehmet Okur (2149), Wes Matthews (2025), Andrei Kirilenko (1681), Ronnie Brewer (1662), CJ Miles (1497), Kyle Korver (952)


The Jazz lost 4 of their 5 most frequent starters, and 5 of their 9 minutes leaders. They effectively swapped Okur and Boozer for Big Al and Francisco Elson (also added a rookie Jeremy Evans), and swapped Brewer, Matthews and Korver for Raja Bell (and Gordon Hayward). The team overperformed to open the season (I think they were also undefeated in preseason), but fell apart when Deron and Millsap started wearing down. It shouldn't have come as any surprise that Deron was frustrated, given the gutting of the team AND Jerry's insistence on trying to force Al to play like Boozer (painful to watch). Even without Sloan's departure and Deron's subsequent trade, that team would have been incredibly lucky to make the playoffs.
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^Gets it.
 
jope said:
I would stand behind my reasoning that Jerry's coaching was not to blame for 'wheels falling off'.
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I thought you said the wheels didn't fall off? Anyway, for the sake of argument, which coach would you say was responsible for the team during our 10 of 14 losing streak that led up to Jerry quitting?
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It's not about placing blame. It's about being intellectually honest when giving credit to coaches when they win, as well as when they lose, rather than telling half the story.
 
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freakazoid said:
I thought you said the wheels didn't fall off? Anyway, for the sake of argument, which coach would you say was responsible for the team during our 10 of 14 losing streak that led up to Jerry quitting?
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It's not about placing blame. It's about being intellectually honest when giving credit to coaches when they win, as well as when they lose, rather than telling half the story.
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Streaks, both winning and losing, happen every season. It's a product of the schedule, morale, talent, and yes coaching. I never said jerry was perfect. If he lost 10 of his last 14,then that's pretty brutal, but it also shows how many he must have won at the beginning of the year to still quit 7 games over 500 (27-13 .675 before said losing streak) its a game of streaks. It happens every year. Who knows, we could have finished the year strong or could've flopped the rest of the way. Point is, it's impossible to blame the 'wheels falling off' just on one thing (see one of my previous posts). My original point was that it wasn't Jerry's coaching that made the wheels fall off
 
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