Thoughts and Prayers

[Miggs]

Pretty sure every father thinks that. I once had an old HVAC guy tell me that fatherhood is the definition of faith. The mother knows with surety the kids are hers, but the father has to take it on faith.

I mean, I don’t actually think it. Was just trying to be funny.

 

[The Midnight]

Neither will ever exist. Ever. Be realistic.

Well a country like Japan has a 0.6 gun per 100 residents gun ownership rate. That's pretty close to the 'nobody' scenario IMO give or take.


On the other hand America has 101 guns per 100 residents. (and I assume increasing everyday given the Second Amendment right + the rising level of violence and the need to defend oneself).


So, no, I don't think my scenarios were all that unrealistic.

 

[Gameface]

Well a country like Japan has a 0.6 gun per 100 residents gun ownership rate. That's pretty close to the 'nobody' scenario IMO give or take.


On the other hand America has 101 guns per 100 residents. (and I assume increasing everyday given the Second Amendment right + the rising level of violence and the need to defend oneself).


So, no, I don't think my scenarios were all that unrealistic.

There is NOT a rising level of violence in the U.S..

The U.S. is on a pretty steady 30-40 year decrease in violence.

 

[The Midnight]

There is NOT a rising level of violence in the U.S..

The U.S. is on a pretty steady 30-40 year decrease in violence.

Well I should be more specific and say 'an increase in the level of mass shooting in the US'.

 

[Gameface]

Well

Well I should be more specific and say 'an increase in the level of mass shooting in the US'.

More hyperbole?

 

[The Midnight]

Apparently not, since mass shooting deaths actually increased 300% between 1984 - 2016 according to that graph... LOL!!!

 

[The Midnight]

Wow.

 

[MVP]

So somebody posted a statistics that even trained police officers in critical situations are able to hit intended targets in only 18% of their shots. You all gun lovers tell me is it worth having a gun for self defense when your odds at hitting the target are so pathetically low? And please do not tell me you are better shooters then police officers.
But maybe that is the reason you guys want AR-15's and other high capacity weapons... maybe that 1 bullet from 30 you will spray will hit it lol.

 

[JAZZGASM]

I do think a good first step is requiring a person to be at least 21 to purchase a semi-auto rifle (you have to be 21 to purchase a handgun from a dealer). You should also have to be 21 to buy from an unlicensed/private party. Magazine restrictions are a good idea too.

Guns are so pervasive in this country, that I don't even think an outright ban will stop mass shootings (and may cause revolt). I do think we can put meaningful rules and restrictions in place that will stop some shootings.

So somebody posted a statistics that even trained police officers in critical situations are able to hit intended targets in only 18% of their shots. You all gun lovers tell me is it worth having a gun for self defense when your odds at hitting the target are so pathetically low? And please do not tell me you are better shooters then police officers.
But maybe that is the reason you guys want AR-15's and other high capacity weapons... maybe that 1 bullet from 30 you will spray will hit it lol.

That's why a shotgun is the best gun for home defense.

 

[The Midnight]

I do think a good first step is requiring a person to be at least 21 to purchase a semi-auto rifle (you have to be 21 to purchase a handgun from a dealer). You should also have to be 21 to buy from an unlicensed/private party. Magazine restrictions are a good idea too.

Guns are so pervasive in this country, that I don't even think an outright ban will stop mass shootings (and may cause revolt). I do think we can put meaningful rules and restrictions in place that will stop some shootings.


That's why a shotgun is the best gun for home defense.

Would those changes have helped in preventing the Las Vegas shooting? IMO you can be over 21 and can still be VERY dangerous.

My suggestion would be:

1. Limit Guns owned per person
Why can't there be a limit on how many guns 1 person can have? If the logic behind owning guns is primarily self protection (based on the Second Amendment), then how do you justify having no limit on the number of guns you can own? To me having 10+ guns is one of those 'doing more harm than good' situation.

2. Ban semi-automatic
Also do you really need a semi-automatic to protect yourself? Again, to me it's one of those 'it can do more harm than good' category.

3. More in dept background checks & a longer wait period
Self explanatory


I think those 3 things alone could go a long way towards stopping some of these mass shooting.

 

[fishonjazz]

I know. There were hundreds of thousands of deaths last year from drunk driving. Does that stop me or you from driving?

I was simply saying that everyone always says “that would never happen to me or my family. I’m always safe and I educate my kids and I would never take safety for granted” and things like that.
No matter how safe you are there is always a possibility of serious danger when guns are involved. Even the safest gun owners occasionally make mistakes and have accidents.

Just trying to give a friendly reminder to never get complacent or cocky with an attitude of that would never happen to me.

 

[fishonjazz]

I know. There were hundreds of thousands of deaths last year from drunk driving. Does that stop me or you from driving?

Difference being that I think all of us are humble enough and realistic enough to know driving accidents could happen to any of us.

With guns I often see an attitude of some gun owners thinking that the safety practices they use handling guns eliminate the possibility of someone getting shot. Even trained professionals (including friendly fire in the military) make mistakes.