Thread for responding to lies spread by JazzyFresh

[Beer]

If we were having a bitter argument about who is "Christian" or not, there is at least theoretically a resolution to the argument. "Well, Jesus will decide who is "Christian" and who isn't."

I don't know, but one thing I do know is Trump tricking the right into believing he is a devout christian and literally winning the presidency because of it is one of the greatest/stupidest political lies ever told and sold.

There is literally not one single thing in his actions and words in his previous 40 years that would lead one to believe he was a practicing christian let alone a staunch defender of Jesus Christ and his religions. Then all the sudden he realizes the only way he's going to win is if he get's americas Jesus believers on his side and he becomes an apostle. It's hilarious and mind blowing how many people believe this outrageous lie.

 

[babe]

I don't know, but one thing I do know is Trump tricking the right into believing he is a devout christian and literally winning the presidency because of it is one of the greatest/stupidest political lies ever told and sold.

There is literally not one single thing in his actions and words in his previous 40 years that would lead one to believe he was a practicing christian let alone a staunch defender of Jesus Christ and his religions. Then all the sudden he realizes the only way he's going to win is if he get's americas Jesus believers on his side and he becomes an apostle. It's hilarious and mind blowing how many people believe this outrageous lie.

I believe there have been wars with bloodshed, the loss of millions of human lives over the question of who is the "real Christian", The history of Islam could not be construed as anything better, with killing infidels and insufficiently correct believers literally the first response to any problem.

The "progressive" reinstitutionalization of "royalty" under the softer term of "expert" or the directed flow of cash for services has not really produced a better kind of human with better instincts for justice.

I still find the disbelievers' measures of true Christianity rather lacking.

I don't think Trump is an ideological person at all. Whatever his past actions have been, he has paid some kind of price, but it's pretty clear he's not gay, or trans, nor in any particular sense anything more or less than a normal, as with the range of familiar or common, alpha sort of male. He does have a wife who grew up outside of this country and under professed communist rule, and it's clear she loves the ideas of traditional American values such as human liberty, human rights, freedom..... the American Exceptionalism sort of array of ideas.

And it's clear Trump not only listens to her, but he listens to the crowds who have come out to his rallies.

There is little danger he can overthrow the statists inside his own executive branch of our government. The militarists of our "military-industrial complex" are split. The folks who just want endless wars are stultified by his failure to start some damn new war, but the folks who love to build weapons are still glowing over the contracts for production and development and research.

Trump may have stumbled out onto the stage, but his sails were filled by the millions of Americans who just damn hate the way we've been run.

This is, in my opinion, a growing thing. A Biden victory, even by an honest vote count, will not stop it's growth. It is the end of the Progressive Era, and the end of the old UN order.

Any politician who will get in front of this political trend will win big.

 

[Getting Traded]

I believe there have been wars with bloodshed, the loss of millions of human lives over the question of who is the "real Christian", The history of Islam could not be construed as anything better, with killing infidels and insufficiently correct believers literally the first response to any problem.

The "progressive" reinstitutionalization of "royalty" under the softer term of "expert" or the directed flow of cash for services has not really produced a better kind of human with better instincts for justice.

I still find the disbelievers' measures of true Christianity rather lacking.

I don't think Trump is an ideological person at all. Whatever his past actions have been, he has paid some kind of price, but it's pretty clear he's not gay, or trans, nor in any particular sense anything more or less than a normal, as with the range of familiar or common, alpha sort of male. He does have a wife who grew up outside of this country and under professed communist rule, and it's clear she loves the ideas of traditional American values such as human liberty, human rights, freedom..... the American Exceptionalism sort of array of ideas.

And it's clear Trump not only listens to her, but he listens to the crowds who have come out to his rallies.

There is little danger he can overthrow the statists inside his own executive branch of our government. The militarists of our "military-industrial complex" are split. The folks who just want endless wars are stultified by his failure to start some damn new war, but the folks who love to build weapons are still glowing over the contracts for production and development and research.

Trump may have stumbled out onto the stage, but his sails were filled by the millions of Americans who just damn hate the way we've been run.

This is, in my opinion, a growing thing. A Biden victory, even by an honest vote count, will not stop it's growth. It is the end of the Progressive Era, and the end of the old UN order.

Any politician who will get in front of this political trend will win big.

You really think he has a loving relationship with his wife? There has been talk that she is going to divorce him if he loses. Trump did gain support because people are fed up with the way things are run. But the way he is running things is even worse and antithetical to everything we stand for as Americans. Yes, things weren't going well before he became President. Trump, however, is of an authoritarian mind who only cares about self-glorification and has no compassion for the suffering of others. Power and celebrity is his only concern.

 

[Red]

It is the end of the Progressive Era, and the end of the old UN order.

Any politician who will get in front of this political trend will win big.

I believe what you are talking about is the triumph of nationalism over liberalism. We see this symbolically when Trump walks out on a stage, and physically embraces the American flag. We see this same nationalistic sentiment at every right wing protest, flags everywhere. We saw this same bs in the Vietnam Era, with the pro war slogan “America, love it or leave it”. Here a conservative commentator echoes your sentiment:

The Backlash Against the Liberal World Order

Global liberalism has overreached, and Trump and others are merely predictable reactions.

www.theamericanconservative.com

It seems to me a return to extreme nationalism is a failure to learn from history. Nationalism was a leading cause of both WWI and WWII. How the hell can we just forget that? The United States is not the only place where nationalism is ushering in illiberalism. Some people have not forgotten the lessons of history:

I Survived World War II. Nationalism Is a Path to War

"I saw leaders who only made matters worse"

time.com

Now, when the world needs to confront significant problems in a unified fashion, and yes, I am thinking of things like global warming, and I am not expecting an imminent ice age, as you are, the last thing the world should be doing is fragmenting and isolating with nationalistic fervor. I like my country. But I have no use for the secular religion we know as nationalism. It was the leading cause of two world wars. It’s fine at the Olyimpics. It’s not so fine in the hands of a leader who hugs the flag in fake and phony fervor, and whips people up. That style of nationalism appeals to the darker angels in all of us. It sucks. It kills. It starts wars. It isolates the world’s people just as the globe is actually shrinking in the 21st century, just when the people of the world need to recognize we live on one fragile planet, and are one species, and just when we dare not go backwards into the divisive emotion of uber nationalism.

 

[Red]

I believe what you are talking about is the triumph of nationalism over liberalism. We see this symbolically when Trump walks out on a stage, and physically embraces the American flag. We see this same nationalistic sentiment at every right wing protest, flags everywhere. We saw this same bs in the Vietnam Era, with the pro war slogan “America, love it or leave it”. Here a conservative commentator echoes your sentiment:

The Backlash Against the Liberal World Order

Global liberalism has overreached, and Trump and others are merely predictable reactions.

www.theamericanconservative.com

It seems to me a return to extreme nationalism is a failure to learn from history. Nationalism was a leading cause of both WWI and WWII. How the hell can we just forget that? The United States is not the only place where nationalism is ushering in illiberalism. Some people have not forgotten the lessons of history:

I Survived World War II. Nationalism Is a Path to War

"I saw leaders who only made matters worse"

time.com

Now, when the world needs to confront significant problems in a unified fashion, and yes, I am thinking of things like global warming, and I am not expecting an imminent ice age, as you are, the last thing the world should be doing is fragmenting and isolating with nationalistic fervor. I like my country. But I have no use for the secular religion we know as nationalism. It was the leading cause of two world wars. It’s fine at the Olyimpics. It’s not so fine in the hands of a leader who hugs the flag in fake and phony fervor, and whips people up. That style of nationalism appeals to the darker angels in all of us. It sucks. It kills. It starts wars. It isolates the world’s people just as the globe is actually shrinking in the 21st century, just when the people of the world need to recognize we live on one fragile planet, and are one species, and just when we dare not go backwards into the divisive emotion of uber nationalism.

Regressive. Stupid. Let’s march together, back in time, into the past. Insanity.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/as-the-world-marks-100-years-since-the-end-of-wwi-nationalism-is-on-the-rise-again/2018/11/08/11fae81e-deab-11e8-8bac-bfe01fcdc3a6_story.html

“Heads of state assert “Italy First,” “Hungary First” and “America First,” echoing language deployed by those who argued against U.S. involvement in the world wars and League of Nations.

And collective aversion to the term “nationalist” has begun to recede.

“You know, they have a word — it sort of became old-fashioned,” President Trump said at a rally last month. “It’s called a nationalist. And I say, really? We’re not supposed to use that word. You know what I am? I’m a nationalist, okay? I’m a nationalist. Nationalist. Nothing wrong. Use that word.”

 

[babe]

Red, of course the intellectuals supporting political power of the RINO/SINO/Globalist alignment have words, and definitions, of their own.

But you are ignoring the reality.

The world vision you and others see and work for as necessary and good just isn't either.

Trump, as has been said before, even by Obama, is not an ideologue. I don't rule out that he has character flaws or some unchristian views, or that he would not actually take power if he could. I don't think Americans in general would call that an improvement over Biden/Hillary/Obama/Bill/Carter/Johnson, or some damn stupid Bushes. Reagan was actually not only charming and personable, but he was much better educated than Trump. However, he held back a lot, I think because of HWB and the Rockefellers. Trump simply doesn't care to hold back from what he thinks is "American".

I believe his idea of "American" just matches most people in the USA, and it's not nationalist. The word most people associate with these values is "Freedom".

Freedom is not regressive.

Monarchy might be regresssive.

Feudalism is regressive.

Globalism is regressive.

Your ideals are very regressive. They do not build up the human values, but the corporate, even Fascist ideals of well-run governance. Those ideas line up against human freedom and human opportunity massively.

You imagine you will save the world from all kinds of boogeymen with it, but the boogeymen are not actually real.

We might go over the top on global warming, but the real solution is not any human plan to eliminate carbon dioxide. Other kinds of pollution are more concerning, but the CO2 will rebalance because the photosynthesis and carbonate depositions will remove all we can possible produce. The natural system will take care of it, and we will have ice ages again.

I think it is stupid to waste oil or anything. I don't think solar or wind are the kind of technology we should build up massively. Even nuclear fission is not unlimited. The real answer will be hydrogen fusion, maybe cold fusion of deuterium.

You should stop talking about things you just don't understand.

Science, even the the sixties, became institutionalized and nationalized, as in controlled by government. Internationalizing it made it worse. Paid stooge liars doing bum work, knowing their grants, their salaries will end if they don't walk the damn walk.

Our only chance to survive is breaking that indoctrination system and it takes people who will think twice and keep an open mind, and be willing to stand for better ways.

 

[gandalfe]

Wow. I didn't realize it was a 6 month ban.

 

[fishonjazz]

Wow. I didn't realize it was a 6 month ban.

It's been nice.
Maybe the best thing about 2020

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[Avery]

I was wondering where JF has been. What ultimately got him booted for six months?

 

[fishonjazz]

I was wondering where JF has been. What ultimately got him booted for six months?

I'm guessing calling everyone pedophiles did it

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[One Brow]

On his second day back, the bump occurs.

When you illegally bring kids over the border that were brought over from cartels then ship them to random states in the dead of night with no possible way to track said person, that's exactly what it is. I mean word for word basically.

When you mistyped "smuggle" as "snuggle", it was slightly amusing. When you doubled down on that, it was a little pathetic.

I agree human smuggling is an issue, as does the entire nation. Trying to make this partisan is entirely irrational.

What's your opinion on the record amount of people put into "concentration camps" last month? Bet you don't call them concentration camps anymore.

Not since the family separation has stopped.

Remember this was a little girl. The look he gives her and the straight salivating tone is so absolutely disgusting to normal folk, or should be.

Any salivation is coming from you.

Yeah fish this worries me deeply. This type of behavior is becoming waaay too acceptable in today's society.

You must be very young. Aging up pre-teen girls has been around forever, and I've witnessed it in every decades since the 1970s.

Mind you, I agree that it is inappropriate and wrong, a example of patriarchy in action. It's nice to hear you're becoming a feminist.

 

[One Brow]

She wasn't even pre-teen. I'm sorry the fact that you guys can't even acknowledge how amazingly creepy this is just proves that I was right before I got banned.

You said she was 10. 10-12 is pre-teen.

Oh and @colton you going to answer my question? WHat's the difference between Bidens concentration camps and Trumps?

Already answered.

One race being superior.

So, you agree being diverse is inherently better? Excellent.

So where is Impeach Biden thread you republican?

Did you have a criminal act you were going to mention?