SteakNEggs
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10 year old aren't indoctrinated into taking boner pills. Drugs like Lupron that are used to castrate pedophiles in certain circumstances are.
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I never thought I would read you claim that molesters are trying to keep kids from committing suicide. You are one sick puppy.
... you should have let me die instead'?
SteakNEggs
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Mutilation is the answer. By God... Dark dark s* bro.
Oh and I'm not seeing this suicide stuff care to provide a link? Even if true she's right, mutilation at her age is not the answer. If people want to do it at 18 when they are adults(even though they are still not close to being fully developed) than so be it. But kids? Repulsive.
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Dude be serious. This isn't some abstract issue for me.
I'm going to ask you this. If you had a child, let's say 14 years old, and for a time now they seemed distant and unhappy. You've tried to connect, tried to figure out what's going on, tried to find ways to brighten their day. Eventually your spouse brings you a letter your child has written to them. In it your child tells your spouse that they are transgender. They inform your spouse of their preferred name and gender pronouns. They express how hard it was to write the letter and how scared they were to give it to them but that this is something that they needed to do. You spouse tells you that your child came to them because they felt that they would be more accepting but they didn't want to tell you right now because they were worried that you wouldn't be able to accept them. Your spouse has since talked to your child and convinced them to let your spouse share the letter with you.
What do you do?
What if you reject it and say it's a phase, but more than a year later your child is seemingly less happy and more withdrawn because they insist that they are transgender but you will not acknowledge them for who they are?
Now it's two years later and it's been two weeks since you've heard from your kid because they ran away again and are staying with friends of theirs who accept them for who they are. Do you continue to tell them that you're not going to play pretend with them about their gender?
Now your child is 18, hasn't finished school because they've bounced around from house to house, sometimes with other family, sometimes running away to be with their friends who you don't allow them to have contact with. They've had to make their way in the world without the love and support of their parents. Now that they aren't legally bound to you they walk out of your life and never make contact with you again.
Or... What if when you read the letter you go to your child and tell them that you love them, and will always love them no matter what? You tell them that you're confused and this is hard for you, but you want to support them and help them make the best possible decisions for their life.
Eventually you go to a specialist doctor who provides treatment. The doctor requires that all legal guardians be at the initial appointment. So you're there and the doctor talks about possible options and that it's also possible that no medical intervention will take place. They explain each treatment option in detail. They explain side effects and permanence vs reversibility. Then they talk to the patient alone after which you are brought back in. The treatments that your child was inclined towards are discussed. Surgery was never an option because no one does that for a patient under 18. The options in front of you are some hormones and some blockers. You express your concern that you want whatever it is to not be permanent and fully reversible. They drop some options and settle on some of the most mild treatments.
Is that the horror show that you thought it was? Because that's real. You're talking about nightmares that are thought up in some fundamentalists fever dreams.
BTW I picked the second path and I'm happy that I did.
gandalfe
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Frankly, if I was actually reading anything these trolls are saying, I would probably be reporting pretty much everything. It sounds like they've reached the point of levelling unwarranted unfounded accusations and abuse on everyone who doesn't think that trans people don't exist, and if they do, they should just die.
Coming from the guy claiming child molesters are trying to save kids.
Look up her testimony to the Ohio legislature.
Neither is suicide.
SteakNEggs
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Yes. Giving kids Lupron and other drugs which is a drug that literally chemically castrates people is wrong. Im serious as can get. And the girl I brought up was 15 when her breast were mutilated. Puberty is a natural occurrence... Drugs are not. To think that there will be no side effects...
Look, I don't hate anyone or have a phobe against people who are different. I'm far from perfect. I admit I think it's absolutely absurd in a lot of ways and absolutely think that it defies basic factual biology but I genuinely couldn't care less But I do feel it's grotesque to give children and teenagers life altering drugs. I don't think chemical castration nor self mutilation is the proper course for these kids who are confused and need help. The suicide rate is astronomical amongst trans kids and I don't think that the issue is the lack of life altering drugs. I don't think the answer is chopping off a 15 year olds breast.
There are more and more stories coming out every day about detransitioning. Some if these stories like the one above are truly horrifying. So, to answer that question... Yes. It's terrifying that more and more kids will be ruined for life in choices made when the brain is just understanding basic life. That's not saying people are stupid but at that age making life altering decisions is wrong.
SteakNEggs
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All that for you to agree that neither suicide nor mutilating a child/teen is the answer here. You're agreeing with my stance. I think there should be focus on better treatment beside the two options being suicide or mutilation. I don't know how that makes me a transphobe but so be it.
I'm not going to look this up tonight because I've got something I want to do other than this, but recently I saw that there have been something like 3 gender affirming surgeries on people under 18 in the U.S. over the last 10 or more years (I might look this info up tomorrow for a source, but again, not tonight).
The medical organization that exists to support the transgender community is opposed to surgeries on patients younger than 18. Most major transgender organizations do not support gender affirming surgeries on patients younger than 18. Most medical organizations and hospitals do not allow gender affirming surgeries on patients younger than 18.
If the person driving treatment options is anyone other than the transgender person then that is wrong and potentially criminal. If anyone is trying to groom a child into a transgender identity then they are a criminal. That isn't what's happening. You talk about this like parents and medical providers are frothing at the mouth to get kids to be transgender and then to load them up with all the most aggressive treatments available, including surgery. That is simply not the reality. You're only able to believe that because you are looking at this issue from a distance and don't know the real people living in this reality.
My child has their friends over, also transgender mostly met each other in a youth support group. None of them uses drugs or alcohol. All of them live at home and have the support of their parent(s). When they are here they spend 90% of the time just talking and laughing while maybe watching a show. None of them are trying to win their school swim meet or wrestling trophy. None of them are hanging out in public restrooms (in fact they avoid that situation like their lives depend on it, because it just might).
This is not the dystopian horror show you continually portray it as.
SteakNEggs
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Vanderbilt physicians called trans surgeries ‘huge moneymakers’
The comments in question were made by two faculty members, including Dr. Shayne Taylor, a university professor and a physician at the Vanderbilt Clinic for Transgender Health, as part of the Nashville school’s Medicine Grant Rounds lectures from 2018-2019.In the video, Taylor called transgender surgeries “huge moneymakers.”
Female-to-male chest reconstruction can bring in $40,000,” Taylor says at one point. “It actually makes money for the hospital.”
Speaking of female-to-male “bottom surgeries,” Taylor says they are “huge moneymakers” and cost up to $100,000.
Vanderbilt to review gender-affirming surgeries for minors
Officials at Vanderbilt University Medical Center have announced that they are pausing gender affirming surgeries for minors in order to review their practices.
apnews.com
Disagree, I think it's a fad that will die at some point and an indoctrination. Also if there were only one or two why did the Vanderbilt hospital shut down it's program that was made specifically to mutilate children? And before people get angry at my word choice of mutilate, look up the word.
gandalfe
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Warning: Contains NSFW Language:
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SteakNEggs
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@Gameface
Just evidence that it is indeed indoctrination. There is also a study I'll post where 4 out of 5 grow out of the trans phase
www.google.com
View: https://youtu.be/_6sPG7gleOs
Just evidence that it is indeed indoctrination. There is also a study I'll post where 4 out of 5 grow out of the trans phase
What is happening is morally and medically appalling': Trans clinic whistleblower makes shocking claims about the harmful side-effects of drugs given to confused teenagers that 'deform' genitalia and cause bleeding
Trans kids clinic worker blows whistle on 'appalling' harm being done
Jamie Reed worked at The Washington University Transgender Center at St. Louis Children's Hospital between 2018 and November 2022.
View: https://youtu.be/_6sPG7gleOs
This is your response to two very heartfelt and almost superhumanly restrained posts that I addressed directly to you?
Vanderbilt physicians called trans surgeries ‘huge moneymakers’
The comments in question were made by two faculty members, including Dr. Shayne Taylor, a university professor and a physician at the Vanderbilt Clinic for Transgender Health, as part of the Nashville school’s Medicine Grant Rounds lectures from 2018-2019.
In the video, Taylor called transgender surgeries “huge moneymakers.”
Female-to-male chest reconstruction can bring in $40,000,” Taylor says at one point. “It actually makes money for the hospital.”
Speaking of female-to-male “bottom surgeries,” Taylor says they are “huge moneymakers” and cost up to $100,000.
Vanderbilt to review gender-affirming surgeries for minors
Officials at Vanderbilt University Medical Center have announced that they are pausing gender affirming surgeries for minors in order to review their practices.
Disagree, I think it's a fad that will die at some point and an indoctrination. Also if there were only one or two why did the Vanderbilt hospital shut down it's program that was made specifically to mutilate children? And before people get angry at my word choice of mutilate, look up the word.
This is who you are?
Okay. Okay.
Have a nice life SteakNEggs.
SteakNEggs
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Even if it's 2 out of 5. And lol I see Log is here adding his usual nothingness.
Finland's top transgender treatment expert slams spread of 'disinformation' on children with gender confusion - and says 'four out of five' kids who question their gender grow out of it
www.dailymail.co.uk
Finland's top transgender treatment expert slams spread of 'disinformation' on children with gender confusion - and says 'four out of five' kids who question their gender grow out of it
- She says American doctors are 'using the fear of patient suicide' to convince parents their children need gender-affirming treatments @One Brow for example
Four out of five kids who question their gender 'grow out of it'
Dr. Riittakerttu Kaltiala said too little is known about the recent spike in gender-dysphoria to administer severe body-altering treatments to children.
SteakNEggs
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I addressed you back dude. I provided evidence of where I'm coming from. I actually appreciate your response but I feel that this is an ideology and indoctrination. You said Drs are not just doing this for fun but I actually think they are and I just provided more evidence. That's what people should do I'm conversation. Back up why they think the way they do. A Dr admitting that trans surgery makes a lot of money I feel shows money over life. They are doing it for money and parents are pushing their ideologies on children. A child 99 out of 100 times couldn't care less about gender. Or shouldn't but with identify politics they do.
I was disagreeing with a point and I quote
"Disagree, I think it's a fad that will die at some point and an indoctrination. Also if there were only one or two why did the Vanderbilt hospital shut down it's program that was made specifically to mutilate children? And before people get angry at my word choice of mutilate, look up the word."
SteakNEggs
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PROMINENT TRANS DOCTORS SPEAK OUT ON RECKLESS TREATMENT OF CHILDREN BY GENDER HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS
For the first time in the U.S., top gender medical providers collectively acknowledged four facts: early puberty blockade can lead to significant surgical complication and also permanent sexual dysfunction; peer and social media influence do seem to play a role in encouraging the current, unprecedented spike in transgender identification by teen girls; and the World Professional Association of Transgender Health (WPATH) – of which both Bowers Anderson are board members – has been excluding doctors who question current medical protocols to its detriment.
But the bombshell – the point made to me in interviews with so many endocrinologists, but never by any providers of transgender medicine – was that “orgasmic naïveté” is real and it’s a problem.”
Prominent trans doctors speak out on reckless treatment of children by gender healthcare providers
Top US trans doctors have blown the whistle on “sloppy care” for children with gender dysphoria.
www.womensforumaustralia.org
Yes, you seriously would rather kids die than receive treatment. Think about that.
Preferring people die to getting treatment is textbook phobia.
Most of them aren't confused, but they do need the help you would deny them.
The number of detransitioners is tiny compared to the successful transitions.
More people will die from being the condition of being refused treatment that will regret their transitions. By focusing on the smaller number, you are condemning the larger.
SteakNEggs
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I think there are far more options than mutilation, chemical castration or suicide. Crazy concept if your not shallow. I dont want any of these... You openly want to chemically castrate children. Extremely stupid point... We should focus on healthy ways to prevent suicide and get kids help and support not castrating their penises.
People act like I dont care for these kids but it's quite the opposite. I'm trying to help protect them. Mutilation and castration drugs are not the solution.
People act like I dont care for these kids but it's quite the opposite. I'm trying to help protect them. Mutilation and castration drugs are not the solution.
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