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porqsmith said:
Reality does not require faith, as it is observable. We may misunderstand our observations at times, but we can always keep trying.

I think everyone accepts that there are things out there that we don't (yet) understand. The problem is that believers try to define that which we don't know or understand and claim their definitions as truth.
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If we don't understand it yet then any explanation is as good as any other. How can you say, until it has been proven, that their way of looking at it is wrong?
 
NUMBERICA said:
Arguments like these lead to things like these;

My outrageous examples only mirror an outrageous ideology.
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Hitler tried to stamp out religion. Does that put him in your camp?



Not every bad thing happens in the name of religion.
 
LogGrad98 said:
If we don't understand it yet then any explanation is as good as any other. How can you say, until it has been proven, that their way of looking at it is wrong?
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What you mean to say is that any explanation is as bad as the other. Any explanation not based on reality is a bad explanation.

The real problem arises when those with a bad explanation try to make it the only explanation.

Take the theory of evolution. It's based on observable facts. It is not complete, as it does not explain everything about all life on earth.

We have a great many people trying to argue that we shouldn't teach our children these facts about evolution, because they already have an explanation: God did it. This explanation is not based on reality. The theory of evolution is. This is a problem, because these people want to teach the children of the world not to look for answers in reality.
 
Nobody cares about your damn religious beliefs already. Can you guys please STFU? Or at least take it to the general board.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Hitler tried to stamp out religion. Does that put him in your camp?
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"God With Us" I was originally going to include this in the slew of photos but decided against it.

The relationship of the Third Reich and religions is a complex one, but to say that it's goal was to stamp out religion is ignorantly O'Reilly-esque. Much of the Nazi leadership was officially Roman Catholic, even if that didn't influence their decisions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

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If Hitler wanted to stamp out Catholicism, he did a terrible job of it. Considering how effective he was at targeting and eliminating any other group as he saw fit, and his forces possessed the Vatican, his objective - as you state - was a colossal failure.

Not every bad thing happens in the name of religion.
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I didn't say that nor did I imply it. It appears you assumed again. And please don't give me neg rep again because I know the difference.
 
Just because you cannot recognize an implied meaning does not mean others are assuming. And yes Hitler did greatly restrict the Catholic church. He was systematically targeting groups that might disrupt his control, as well as groups he felt were "impure" and did not fit the aryan profile. He started with groups he hated the worst. Luckily he was stopped before he finished it. And I never IMPLIED you said it was only religious groups. You ASSUMED that. I was simply giving counterpoint to your argument. Sorry you couldn't recognize that.
 
NUMBERICA said:
buckle.jpeg

"God With Us" I was originally going to include this in the slew of photos but decided against it.

The relationship of the Third Reich and religions is a complex one, but to say that it's goal was to stamp out religion is ignorantly O'Reilly-esque. Much of the Nazi leadership was officially Roman Catholic, even if that didn't influence their decisions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

2freidrichcoch.jpg


If Hitler wanted to stamp out Catholicism, he did a terrible job of it. Considering how effective he was at targeting and eliminating any other group as he saw fit, and his forces possessed the Vatican, his objective - as you state - was a colossal failure.


I didn't say that nor did I imply it. It appears you assumed again. And please don't give me neg rep again because I know the difference.
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To my knowledge plenty of roman catholic priests were sent to concentrations camps when hitler concocted his final solution. A holocaust survivor made a painting recollecting his detainment:https://fcit.usf.edu/HOLOCAUST/gifs2/D33b.gif

Besides, The Soviet Union was an atheist state...
 
Forest from the trees?

When you rigidly marry yourself to a dogma that makes people mortal enemies or vessels of satan, bad things happen. That's my point in bringing up all of that and I would think sensible people would agree. Confused as I am about the things people believe in, I couldn't care less if it doesn't impede opportunities or target people of certain demographics. Believe on, Deron and whoever else.
 
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