Through Jesus, I am defined by being God's child.

[Jazz Spazz]

I read your post responding to Vinylone's question about why we should seek to determine whether God exists. I'm not sure it's very relevant to my questions, though I'd be happy to discuss it if you'd like.

As for the rest:

Isn't truth objective?

The way I see it, belief in God has to be subjective, as He will not answer you and I at the same time in a manner that we both recognize. So, he cannot answer for us what is true, as his answers are always subjective.

If you say so, but you should take that argument up with Him.
When you look Him in the eye and try that argument it may not go over so well.
All I can do is tell you what I have learned, and believe to be true, and have asked God, and received an answer about.

By the way, Truth is not subjective.
Once you know a Truth, and you know it in your bones so to speak, there is no subjective to it.

Is gravity subjective? Nope, it is truth. Can you defy gravity for a bit... sure.
Can you get away from gravity, sure... but in getting away from gravity, you also are away from everything that gives you life.

I don't want to argue... to the contrary.... what I say is try it.
Try asking God if he exists, with the intent to do something about it.
If you are serious, and keep at it, and are honest with yourself and God.... you will get an answer.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Truth is objective. Belief in a deity is subjective, correct.

Truth is truth.
Your understanding of Truth is objective.
Truth will not change, you will.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Oh my god.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If it's true, it has evidence. It's proven. That's it. If you people want to use arguments that fly like a butterfly and sting like a butterfly, then... do your thing I guess.

 

[NUMBERICA]

In the meantime, continue pretending that your views on homosexuality aren't significantly informed by your belief in Santa Claus in the sky.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

If it's true, it has evidence. It's proven. That's it. If you people want to use arguments that fly like a butterfly and sting like a butterfly, then... do your thing I guess.

How about this.
I don't agree with you that truth is subjective.
Let's agree to disagree....... this point has nothing to do with anyone pretending they view homosexuality with Santa Claus in the sky, so lets stick to the point.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Oh my god.

Love the pic... that thing is freaky.

 

[NUMBERICA]

How about this.
I don't agree with you that truth is subjective.

Truth is objective.

Yes, how about that.

 

[porqsmith]

If you say so, but you should take that argument up with Him.
When you look Him in the eye and try that argument it may not go over so well.
All I can do is tell you what I have learned, and believe to be true, and have asked God, and received an answer about.

By the way, Truth is not subjective.
Once you know a Truth, and you know it in your bones so to speak, there is no subjective to it.

Is gravity subjective? Nope, it is truth. Can you defy gravity for a bit... sure.
Can you get away from gravity, sure... but in getting away from gravity, you also are away from everything that gives you life.

I don't want to argue... to the contrary.... what I say is try it.
Try asking God if he exists, with the intent to do something about it.
If you are serious, and keep at it, and are honest with yourself and God.... you will get an answer.

After my initial snarkiness, I've tried to understand your points and respond honestly. Please show me the same courtesy.

"By the way, Truth is not subjective."
I didn't say it was. I said that it is objective. You are arguing that truth is subjective. Bizarrely, your argument for this seems to be that "once you know [it]...there is no subjective to it." It makes me wonder whether you actually know what objectivity and subjectivity are.

"I don't want to argue"
That's all fine and good, as you're really not very good at it. I responded because your original post invited response. If you don't want to discuss your beliefs, I'd suggest you avoid declaring them publicly.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

After my initial snarkiness, I've tried to understand your points and respond honestly. Please show me the same courtesy.

"By the way, Truth is not subjective."
I didn't say it was. I said that it is objective. You are arguing that truth is subjective. Bizarrely, your argument for this seems to be that "once you know [it]...there is no subjective to it." It makes me wonder whether you actually know what objectivity and subjectivity are.

"I don't want to argue"
That's all fine and good, as you're really not very good at it. I responded because your original post invited response. If you don't want to discuss your beliefs, I'd suggest you avoid declaring them publicly.

You and Numberica are right, and I am failing to multi-task at the moment.
In my haste I have totally messed up and mixed up objective and subjective, and created something out of nothing.
I don't mean to be short or rude in my answers, and again I apologize.
I will have to check back again later and post when I can focus and speak(type) instead of hastily posting and making a mess.

All I was trying to say is that Truth is Truth, and it is only our understanding of it that changes or is different. Truth is objective, if I even understand the word correctly.

Thanks for being patient with me.

 

[Jerry Lundegaard]

Whatever helps D-Will win us a title! That's what I say. He can do it in whoever's glory he pleases. In the end, a championship will be glorious for all.

In the meantime, this thread should be stickied so the Big Man Up Stairs doesn't have to scroll through countless past pages or utilize a frustrating search function.

For the prophecy it's worth, your opinion is that I am defined by being your self

 

[porqsmith]

You and Numberica are right, and I am failing to multi-task at the moment.
In my haste I have totally messed up and mixed up objective and subjective, and created something out of nothing.
I don't mean to be short or rude in my answers, and again I apologize.
I will have to check back again later and post when I can focus and speak(type) instead of hastily posting and making a mess.

All I was trying to say is that Truth is Truth, and it is only our understanding of it that changes or is different. Truth is objective, if I even understand the word correctly.

Thanks for being patient with me.

Understood.