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Ron Mexico said:
I dont really care about the affairs but the other stuff is really bad if true. It will definitely tarnish him some. But a lot of people who have done great things have also done some bad things, like Mandela.
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It is really bad if true. I guess the sense that MLK Jr being the face of hope and a pioneer of a movement long overdue is the last thing we needed as a country already so racially divided - if that makes sense - not condoning the rape allegations. I don't care about the affairs too unless he was high and mighty about being faithful.

I hope it's not true and is these are as good as the allegations get so it gets swept under the rug.
 
Archie Moses said:
It is really bad if true. I guess the sense that MLK Jr being the face of hope and a pioneer of a movement long overdue is the last thing we needed as a country already so racially divided - if that makes sense - not condoning the rape allegations. I don't care about the affairs too unless he was high and mighty about being faithful.

I hope it's not true and is these are as good as the allegations get so it gets swept under the rug.
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If it's not true it doesn't need to be swept under the rug...

Seems sketchy at best. There is a lot of sensationalism in the story. Almost to the "Hillary Clinton is running a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor" level.
 
Bulletproof said:
If it's not true it doesn't need to be swept under the rug...

Seems sketchy at best. There is a lot of sensationalism in the story. Almost to the "Hillary Clinton is running a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor" level.
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David Garrow is a noted Civil Rights historian who won a Pulitzer for his biography on King This isn't coming from 4chan. It sucks, but he probably wouldn't be making these claims without some sort of evidence. Not sure what it would mean going forward. . .
 
framer said:
David Garrow is a noted Civil Rights historian who won a Pulitzer for his biography on King This isn't coming from 4chan. It sucks, but he probably wouldn't be making these claims without some sort of evidence. Not sure what it would mean going forward. . .
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So if a guy advocating for civil rights isn't a good guy, what does that mean for civil rights?

Nothing. He was an advocate. He advocated for something that was right, with or without him. Civil rights are something black people should have. Martin Luther King didn't make that true. It's just true.
 
Bulletproof said:
So if a guy advocating for civil rights isn't a good guy, what does that mean for civil rights?

Nothing. He was an advocate. He advocated for something that was right, with or without him. Civil rights are something black people should have. Martin Luther King didn't make that true. It's just true.
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In 2019 it would mean people would lose their **** if it were true. It would mean people would demand for his statues to come down, his books to be pulled and his story to silenced. It would mean, "I have a dream" would be tarnished and mocked by many. It would create more racial tension.

It would mean a hell of a lot more than "nothing" if true. I saying that I hope it gets brushed under the rug is a figure of speech because I fear what people's reaction's would be. I guess it's harder to say how I feel about it than simply putting it in words.
 
Archie Moses said:
In 2019 it would mean people would lose their **** if it were true. It would mean people would demand for his statues to come down, his books to be pulled and his story to silenced. It would mean, "I have a dream" would be tarnished and mocked by many. It would create more racial tension.

It would mean a hell of a lot more than "nothing" if true. I saying that I hope it gets brushed under the rug is a figure of speech because I fear what people's reaction's would be. I guess it's harder to say how I feel about it than simply putting it in words.
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This is the correct answer, the national Holiday representing the civil Rights struggle is his birthday. He is the hero of that moment. It can't be glossed over.

The thing I wonder is that this has probably been known by many for a while. Why is this being pursued now?
 
framer said:
The thing I wonder is that this has probably been known by many for a while. Why is this being pursued now?
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It seems like the last few years society has had an obsession with digging up people's pasts. Even if people have atoned or moved on from their past aggressions, a lot of people don't dismiss it and want condemnation.

It looks like some are defending Garrow and some historians are attacking him.

This is probably a poor comparison, but when I was growing up and learning about Columbus and his history, he was always talked highly about. Nowadays, it seems like his name is tarnished and many hate him because his true history is being taught. Many want to do away with Columbus day too.
 


TIL I learned this band wrote this about Brandon Jennings and Scott Skiles' coach/player relationship. It's actually pretty decent. Super random though.
 
Thomg as Jefferson was a paragon of liberty, and a slave owner who raped his slaves (in effect, since they had no choice in the matter). A great man, capable of great good and great evil. You could similar things about every person on Rushmore, and many more besides.

Again, all we have is third-hand testimony that second-hand testimony, written by partisans motivated to attack King, exists. King may or may not have done these things. If he did, he was another great man who did a great evil. If we lose King's birthday for this, can we keep President's Day?
 
Archie Moses said:
It seems like the last few years society has had an obsession with digging up people's pasts. Even if people have atoned or moved on from their past aggressions, a lot of people don't dismiss it and want condemnation.

It looks like some are defending Garrow and some historians are attacking him.

This is probably a poor comparison, but when I was growing up and learning about Columbus and his history, he was always talked highly about. Nowadays, it seems like his name is tarnished and many hate him because his true history is being taught. Many want to do away with Columbus day too.
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The thing is, that if someone else had revealed this, Garrow probably would have been the first person that many would have called to debunk it. I believe that he has been sitting on this for a long time and only recently went to gather the "proof." Why him, and why now? He already literally wrote the book on King, why this weird addendum? Garrow is a pretty dedicated Socialist, is there something about King that rubs socialists the wrong way? I just can't believe this whole thing is random.
 
Archie Moses said:
It seems like the last few years society has had an obsession with digging up people's pasts. Even if people have atoned or moved on from their past aggressions, a lot of people don't dismiss it and want condemnation.

It looks like some are defending Garrow and some historians are attacking him.

This is probably a poor comparison, but when I was growing up and learning about Columbus and his history, he was always talked highly about. Nowadays, it seems like his name is tarnished and many hate him because his true history is being taught. Many want to do away with Columbus day too.
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Anymore simple allegation is enough to convict in the court of public opinion.
 
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