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He's freakin LDS like all the politicians here -- Mormons vote for anyone who is LDS, simple as that. And he is pathetic, maybe even worse than Trump, a freakin weasel.
Time to get rid of the embarrassment that is Mike Lee
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Well the other 2 candidates running against him are Republican and LDS, so they have that going for them. The Isom lady was even the LDS church spokesperson for a time. She left the party over Trump, she is running as a Republican though. Edwards is a moderate Republican. Both are far better options than Lee.
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Hell, even you would be better than Pinky Lee.
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Caucus goers are usually your most partisan, angry, rabid animals. It’s going to be a tough go for these mormon women. Especially since you gotta figure sex is going to be a huge advantage. Most (Utah) mormons probably don’t believe a woman should work outside of the home.
Mike Lee is a "centrist". At CPAC Dallas he was visible following Ted Cruz around. Ted Cruz is a "centrist" too. Both are lawyers with notions of US Constitutional Supremacy. That is what being a "centrist" in the USA means. That is antithetical to extreme right wing "nationalist" or"racial" or"corporate" dominance of our politics, with an idea of rule of law that includes the US Constitution as most Americans expect. Trump is a "centrist": too. Most Union workers are "centrists" as well.
Marxists and Fascists are not "centrists". Used to be that the "Chamber of Commerce" sort of Republicans and the general pro-people Democrats were all centists.
People who want to overthrow this system and replace it with Communism however relabeled or reconceived, and Fascists who want to ditch the US Constitutional concepts of human rights in favor of a "better world" under centralized authoritarian rule are not "centrists".
However, it appears that the rhetoric is changing, always, under ideological or agenda pressures. I used the term "centrist" on Lee in an actually disparaging way because of his being influenced by today's (and the last 50 years') Waswhington DC establishment, by big bank interests, by big tech interests, and by CFR indoctrination, and by Chief Justice Roberts and other pretend conservatives. He's a globalist like the Bush club, and like the LDS Church.
These trends in thought do not absolutely refer to the US Constitution or the innate human individual rights once protected by the US Constitution.
I offer a better view of the world that is not a wholly-owned subsidiary of any cohesive "interests" financial or ideological. My grandfather despised Republicans as being owned by special interests/business, worked for the Democrats as the means of upholding citizen interests. Bill Clinton betrayed that kind of "Democrat" and sold out to the Rockefeller interests and plans.
Republicans generally the "Party of Lincoln" betrayed Lincoln's ideals within minutes of his assassination. While the "Democrats" are reputed to have been "pro-slavery" there was also a notion of federalism, meaning decentralized power with local governments having the highest possible power. Most of the the support for the south during the Civil War was manipulated by British interests into a po-slavery single issue, while in the North the same foreign intersts manipulated the abolitionist cause. The intent was to break up the United States and then limit growth westward by taking the Mississippi into British control, and break off the states one by one and reassert British management.
What did happen was a financial takeover by British finance and progressive ideology. The CFR today is very much compliant with British globalist interests. It's literally the modern British form of Empire.
Russia and China have some thoughts about asserting "better management" but largely, today's politicis is a qeuistion of who's gonna handle the British lion.
People like Cruz and Lee are stooges for the way things are. Trump is just accidentally more of old-time American democrat, being himself most of all. He is a direct threat to "the way things are" but he has found a very strong political base in American values largely held by common Americans.
The problem with Trump is he's his own man.
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Under support from Gayle Miller and Zion's Bank Pres Anderson, the rules were changed to take the guts out of Republican caucus importance. What is needed to get the R nomination is campaign cash.
Lee has the LDS support from the top, and the campaign cash.
LDS women, like Mia Love, do what they want. But nobody today can get the R spot on the ballot without top-down support, largely CFR more than LDS. In SLC, they are pretty much one and the same..
Lol. Yeah, no. If you think Lee is a centrist you’re up in the night. His garbage votes speak for themselves.
`Not your privilege to create a language of your own. No political agenda wonk has that kind of tyranny, really. I suppose your idea of a "centrist" has more to do with Lee being on the earth rather than the center of the sun.
what people think might give you some support, but here in Utah Lee doesn't rock so many boats as you might think. You are of course imagining that a socialist revolution is the definition of of a "centrist' today.
Who are you to speak of garbage. You give nothing to support your analysis/. Red at least quotes the wholly-owned media and some college fakes who write crap pulled outta their asses,.
So I know the game here, and generally I see no hope of actually moving anyone at all. That is the nature of things when even intelligent human beings check their conscience at the door and embrace a political ideology to the extent of becoming a political activists, or believer. It's like a religion. It's like you have someone telling you what to think.
I gave a sort of breakdown of the way I figure Mike Lee to be a centrist. Lee was a devoted Republican after he beat Bennet out in the old Caucus nomination system. He moved from expressing conservative things towards the center to win the general. Almost all RINO republicans do that. He holds "town meetings" on public forums where he listens to people and mostly gushingly agrees with whatever they say. Rarely he dabbles in principles he has pulled outta his take on the Constitution.
Ted Cruz has to say more conservative stuff to satisfy his constituents, but means them less than Lee does. Neither would have done a tenth of what Trump did to rock the boat.
From a popular or general public take on what is "centrist", here's a few things I think over 70% of Americans want......Less obnoxious regulations, less central government or any government power of their business or their lives, less wonk or propaganda in education, less gtobalism, more America First. Most Americans want a good border system that doesn't feed the gangs/cartels working the crossings. Control of drugs and human trafficking. Verifiable modes of voting in elections. Freedom for democrat house members and senate members to vote the interesrts of the home folks,m less party pressure, more reason,.
Whatever else you can say about Trump, he did a lot that most Americans approve of, and it's gonna cost a hellava lot of moolah for the "interests' to keep buying the elections.
Democrats are gonna be talking the good old talk, but of course without meaning it. People are tired of being lied to by media news, politicians and fake "scienctists" like Fauci. Dems are losing their base. Their minds went a while ago with the agenda crap.
Donald Trump lost to a man who isn't even all there. He ran against a literal piece of wood and lost so no, I'd say a lot of Americans hated the man pretty adamantly. Mike Lee is not centrist, his voting record proves it. You want to call him centrist because his rhetoric isn't as bad as some of the worst human beings among us, that doesn't make him centrist. His votes show he's an extremist. All you show in this post is what a partisan hack you are. Of course you like Trump/Lee, you're every bit as delusional and gross as they are. Let me guess climate change is a "hoax" too lol. You looked out your front door lately?
fun.
funny maybe.
So for 15000 years we've been basking in interglacial warm. We're still within the limits set for four previous interglacial warm cycles over a million years, even after burning our forests and petroleum reserves.
Most "conservatives" will argue something like climate is always changing, or whatever not man made. I say the campaign to push for global socialism is just using a convenient issue. Not even concerned with doing anything effective to address such an issue. Some say it's just too big for us to change.
I think the math is wrong, the models wrong. Gotta revise the models some more, fix the equations. Get good data, discuss without a political agenda.
We've had it as warm as this before humans learned to make fire and use it. Over and over again. Arctic meltoffs of hundreds of years' duration, where mammoths grazed on the meadowed plains of Siberia and Canada. Active hunters going out now to find the old tusks,. We are likely going to have another hundred years of warm, and we'll be grazing our cows there.
So maybe there are some people who would think this ad hominem attack something significant, but it still does not address the Mike Lee mindset.
Any reasonable analysis of Lee would center on his Mormon roots and social bearings,. He is a rare RINO but a RINO still. His prattle about the Constitution got him some sympathy from his Mormon voters, but it was and is mere prattle. He is a fake conservative like Chief Justice Roberts. He believes in government, he believes in Washinton, as in DC government.
Mormons are generally unthinking socialists with high tolerance for top down authoritarianism. Mike Lee is all of that.
Truly nothing but nonsense.
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"The Isom lady....". Lol. Tell me you're from Utah without telling me you are from Utah.