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Hantlers said:
I'm not disagreeing, I'm just trying to see where you're getting these views from, so hopefully this makes sense.

Why should we compare what we would do to what God would do? Would we willingly send our only child to die to save a bunch of people who don't even like us? I'm also not sure why we find God to be so lenient. Like it says in the Bible, the wise will be foolish, and the foolish will be wise. What makes sense to us isn't necessarily going to be how God sees it, what humans view as foolish (saying money doesn't matter, believing in a virgin birth, helping others while sacrificing yourself, following Christ only) is what God views as wise.

Ya feel me?
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I feel you, actually. I've had that very thought before: "How arrogant and stupid of me to assume I know what God thinks. How arrogant and stupid of me to assume I know better than what I've been taught my whole life." I haven't had those thoughts lightly, either. It is kind of scary to think that way, because in religious texts it's always those guys who think they know better or are smarter that end up being destroyed. I guess the only difference is that in my heart, the way I imagine my God to be, is exactly what is driving me to be the best person I can be. I like the image that I have of my creator, where as before, when I was doom and gloom, I was pretty scared of Him.

Maybe I'm going to fry for it, but I don't think so. I guess time will tell, eh? P.S. If you get up there Hantlers and you notice I'm not there, will you talk to the Big Fella and see if you can get me a pass or something? Thanks.
 
Hantlers said:
Serious question here...what is a single ward? What is a family ward? I don't understand what these things are...


Now to Log and your brother-in-law...if he goes to hell, it's not going to be because he got baptized or didn't get baptized, it's going to be because he didn't believe that Jesus Christ was his Savior and didn't follow Jesus. That's just my take on it at least.
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A family ward consists of a congregation of families and a singles ward is a congregation of singles.
 
E.J. Wells said:
I feel you, actually. I've had that very thought before: "How arrogant and stupid of me to assume I know what God thinks. How arrogant and stupid of me to assume I know better than what I've been taught my whole life." I haven't had those thoughts lightly, either. It is kind of scary to think that way, because in religious texts it's always those guys who think they know better or are smarter that end up being destroyed. I guess the only difference is that in my heart, the way I imagine my God to be, is exactly what is driving me to be the best person I can be. I like the image that I have of my creator, where as before, when I was doom and gloom, I was pretty scared of Him.

Maybe I'm going to fry for it, but I don't think so. I guess time will tell, eh? P.S. If you get up there Hantlers and you notice I'm not there, will you talk to the Big Fella and see if you can get me a pass or something? Thanks.
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Whatever works for ya brother.

I think that God is more loving than is humanly capable, but I'm also fearful of Him. Typically those that truly love the most are the ones who are not afraid to punish you.
 
Archie Moses said:
A family ward consists of a congregation of families and a singles ward is a congregation of singles.
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What exactly is the purpose of this? Are they just for meeting up outside of church, or is this who you always go to church with?

I guess I'm just not seeing the point of it. As a single (and soon to be engaged) male, I really love being around solid married couples because it gives me an idea of what marriage is supposed to look like. I don't think it is the church's purpose to try to get everybody married/dating. Some people are meant to marry, some people aren't meant to...take Paul for example.
 
Hantlers said:
What exactly is the purpose of this? Are they just for meeting up outside of church, or is this who you always go to church with?

I guess I'm just not seeing the point of it. As a single (and soon to be engaged) male, I really love being around solid married couples because it gives me an idea of what marriage is supposed to look like. I don't think it is the church's purpose to try to get everybody married/dating. Some people are meant to marry, some people aren't meant to...take Paul for example.
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Exactly. I think singles wards are freaking stupid.
 
Hantlers said:
What exactly is the purpose of this? Are they just for meeting up outside of church, or is this who you always go to church with?

I guess I'm just not seeing the point of it. As a single (and soon to be engaged) male, I really love being around solid married couples because it gives me an idea of what marriage is supposed to look like. I don't think it is the church's purpose to try to get everybody married/dating. Some people are meant to marry, some people aren't meant to...take Paul for example.
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Mormons tend to think everyone should get married to a Mormon in the Mormon temples for eternity. It is a big focus of the religion, so naturally the congregations are geared towards families or building families.

Singles wards can be really fun, but they can also be superficial. I have had experiences where I felt that I was able to learn about Christ and improve my life through being in this type of congregation, but I feel like it is always about personal interaction with the individuals that make a congregation "good vs not that good" if the individual has a bad attitude or impression of the group from the get go, it is hard to gain anything spiritually or otherwise from attending.
 
Hantlers said:
What exactly is the purpose of this? Are they just for meeting up outside of church, or is this who you always go to church with?

I guess I'm just not seeing the point of it. As a single (and soon to be engaged) male, I really love being around solid married couples because it gives me an idea of what marriage is supposed to look like. I don't think it is the church's purpose to try to get everybody married/dating. Some people are meant to marry, some people aren't meant to...take Paul for example.
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Hantlers, you might enjoy this thing from the Mormons on families since you are about to start one.

Not trying to convince you to be Mormon or anything, but Mormons do have some really good teachings about families that have helped me in my marriage. Anyway, here is the link, it's only a page long, so read it if you please:

https://www.lds.org/topics/family-proclamation
 
b_line said:
Mormons tend to think everyone should get married to a Mormon in the Mormon temples for eternity. It is a big focus of the religion, so naturally the congregations are geared towards families or building families.

Singles wards can be really fun, but they can also be superficial. I have had experiences where I felt that I was able to learn about Christ and improve my life through being in this type of congregation, but I feel like it is always about personal interaction with the individuals that make a congregation "good vs not that good" if the individual has a bad attitude or impression of the group from the get go, it is hard to gain anything spiritually or otherwise from attending.
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I just don't think that's the right priority. Shouldn't the church be focusing on our spiritual life and encouraging us to get married? Not that there's anything wrong with getting married, but there's also nothing wrong with not getting married. I said this already, but Paul has some good viewpoints on marriage, and I don't think that the church should just ignore them.
 
Hantlers said:
No offense, but I'm good.

Thanks though.
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I've never understood this thought-process, tbh.

It always kinda startles me when those that are so deeply-entrenched in their faith, are scared to read the doctrines of other sects of their religions, or other religions altogether.


I own a copy of the New Testament, and I have read it before. It has done nothing to weaken my faith-- if anything, it has strengthened it (added bonus that my religion endorses reading other books of Abrahamic origin).

I understand that you're comfortable, but it's not-like b_line is knocking on your door, at an inopportune time. It's a friggin internet link for crying out-loud.


For the record b_line, I checked out the link you posted, and it's cool. I think the heavy endorsement of family, and community-cohesion of the Mormon faith is the biggest reason as to why it has any members as it does. Though the community-cohesion aspect can have its down-sides, but I do appreciate how much importance it places on the family.
 
Hantlers said:
I just don't think that's the right priority. Shouldn't the church be focusing on our spiritual life and encouraging us to get married? Not that there's anything wrong with getting married, but there's also nothing wrong with not getting married. I said this already, but Paul has some good viewpoints on marriage, and I don't think that the church should just ignore them.
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Why can't it do both?
 
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