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So I kind of took a hardline in this thread. These are ideas I have discussed with others, partly in discussing the revealed nature of God, partly in what we saw in the judgmental nature of mormons. I like trout's take on it, really, and that is how I try to think of religion myself. What would I as a father do, in similar circumstances with my own kids? I like to think that God would be far more lenient than we imagine he would, and simply lays down the law that hard knowing that given an inch we will take a parsec.
 
Serious question here...what is a single ward? What is a family ward? I don't understand what these things are...


Now to Log and your brother-in-law...if he goes to hell, it's not going to be because he got baptized or didn't get baptized, it's going to be because he didn't believe that Jesus Christ was his Savior and didn't follow Jesus. That's just my take on it at least.
 
LogGrad98 said:
So I kind of took a hardline in this thread. These are ideas I have discussed with others, partly in discussing the revealed nature of God, partly in what we saw in the judgmental nature of mormons. I like trout's take on it, really, and that is how I try to think of religion myself. What would I as a father do, in similar circumstances with my own kids? I like to think that God would be far more lenient than we imagine he would, and simply lays down the law that hard knowing that given an inch we will take a parsec.
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I'm not disagreeing, I'm just trying to see where you're getting these views from, so hopefully this makes sense.

Why should we compare what we would do to what God would do? Would we willingly send our only child to die to save a bunch of people who don't even like us? I'm also not sure why we find God to be so lenient. Like it says in the Bible, the wise will be foolish, and the foolish will be wise. What makes sense to us isn't necessarily going to be how God sees it, what humans view as foolish (saying money doesn't matter, believing in a virgin birth, helping others while sacrificing yourself, following Christ only) is what God views as wise.

Ya feel me?
 
Hantlers said:
I'm not disagreeing, I'm just trying to see where you're getting these views from, so hopefully this makes sense.

Why should we compare what we would do to what God would do? Would we willingly send our only child to die to save a bunch of people who don't even like us? I'm also not sure why we find God to be so lenient. Like it says in the Bible, the wise will be foolish, and the foolish will be wise. What makes sense to us isn't necessarily going to be how God sees it, what humans view as foolish (saying money doesn't matter, believing in a virgin birth, helping others while sacrificing yourself, following Christ only) is what God views as wise.

Ya feel me?
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I feel you, actually. I've had that very thought before: "How arrogant and stupid of me to assume I know what God thinks. How arrogant and stupid of me to assume I know better than what I've been taught my whole life." I haven't had those thoughts lightly, either. It is kind of scary to think that way, because in religious texts it's always those guys who think they know better or are smarter that end up being destroyed. I guess the only difference is that in my heart, the way I imagine my God to be, is exactly what is driving me to be the best person I can be. I like the image that I have of my creator, where as before, when I was doom and gloom, I was pretty scared of Him.

Maybe I'm going to fry for it, but I don't think so. I guess time will tell, eh? P.S. If you get up there Hantlers and you notice I'm not there, will you talk to the Big Fella and see if you can get me a pass or something? Thanks.
 
Hantlers said:
Serious question here...what is a single ward? What is a family ward? I don't understand what these things are...


Now to Log and your brother-in-law...if he goes to hell, it's not going to be because he got baptized or didn't get baptized, it's going to be because he didn't believe that Jesus Christ was his Savior and didn't follow Jesus. That's just my take on it at least.
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A family ward consists of a congregation of families and a singles ward is a congregation of singles.
 
E.J. Wells said:
I feel you, actually. I've had that very thought before: "How arrogant and stupid of me to assume I know what God thinks. How arrogant and stupid of me to assume I know better than what I've been taught my whole life." I haven't had those thoughts lightly, either. It is kind of scary to think that way, because in religious texts it's always those guys who think they know better or are smarter that end up being destroyed. I guess the only difference is that in my heart, the way I imagine my God to be, is exactly what is driving me to be the best person I can be. I like the image that I have of my creator, where as before, when I was doom and gloom, I was pretty scared of Him.

Maybe I'm going to fry for it, but I don't think so. I guess time will tell, eh? P.S. If you get up there Hantlers and you notice I'm not there, will you talk to the Big Fella and see if you can get me a pass or something? Thanks.
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Whatever works for ya brother.

I think that God is more loving than is humanly capable, but I'm also fearful of Him. Typically those that truly love the most are the ones who are not afraid to punish you.
 
Archie Moses said:
A family ward consists of a congregation of families and a singles ward is a congregation of singles.
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What exactly is the purpose of this? Are they just for meeting up outside of church, or is this who you always go to church with?

I guess I'm just not seeing the point of it. As a single (and soon to be engaged) male, I really love being around solid married couples because it gives me an idea of what marriage is supposed to look like. I don't think it is the church's purpose to try to get everybody married/dating. Some people are meant to marry, some people aren't meant to...take Paul for example.
 
Hantlers said:
What exactly is the purpose of this? Are they just for meeting up outside of church, or is this who you always go to church with?

I guess I'm just not seeing the point of it. As a single (and soon to be engaged) male, I really love being around solid married couples because it gives me an idea of what marriage is supposed to look like. I don't think it is the church's purpose to try to get everybody married/dating. Some people are meant to marry, some people aren't meant to...take Paul for example.
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Exactly. I think singles wards are freaking stupid.
 
Hantlers said:
What exactly is the purpose of this? Are they just for meeting up outside of church, or is this who you always go to church with?

I guess I'm just not seeing the point of it. As a single (and soon to be engaged) male, I really love being around solid married couples because it gives me an idea of what marriage is supposed to look like. I don't think it is the church's purpose to try to get everybody married/dating. Some people are meant to marry, some people aren't meant to...take Paul for example.
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Mormons tend to think everyone should get married to a Mormon in the Mormon temples for eternity. It is a big focus of the religion, so naturally the congregations are geared towards families or building families.

Singles wards can be really fun, but they can also be superficial. I have had experiences where I felt that I was able to learn about Christ and improve my life through being in this type of congregation, but I feel like it is always about personal interaction with the individuals that make a congregation "good vs not that good" if the individual has a bad attitude or impression of the group from the get go, it is hard to gain anything spiritually or otherwise from attending.
 
Hantlers said:
What exactly is the purpose of this? Are they just for meeting up outside of church, or is this who you always go to church with?

I guess I'm just not seeing the point of it. As a single (and soon to be engaged) male, I really love being around solid married couples because it gives me an idea of what marriage is supposed to look like. I don't think it is the church's purpose to try to get everybody married/dating. Some people are meant to marry, some people aren't meant to...take Paul for example.
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Hantlers, you might enjoy this thing from the Mormons on families since you are about to start one.

Not trying to convince you to be Mormon or anything, but Mormons do have some really good teachings about families that have helped me in my marriage. Anyway, here is the link, it's only a page long, so read it if you please:

https://www.lds.org/topics/family-proclamation
 
b_line said:
Mormons tend to think everyone should get married to a Mormon in the Mormon temples for eternity. It is a big focus of the religion, so naturally the congregations are geared towards families or building families.

Singles wards can be really fun, but they can also be superficial. I have had experiences where I felt that I was able to learn about Christ and improve my life through being in this type of congregation, but I feel like it is always about personal interaction with the individuals that make a congregation "good vs not that good" if the individual has a bad attitude or impression of the group from the get go, it is hard to gain anything spiritually or otherwise from attending.
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I just don't think that's the right priority. Shouldn't the church be focusing on our spiritual life and encouraging us to get married? Not that there's anything wrong with getting married, but there's also nothing wrong with not getting married. I said this already, but Paul has some good viewpoints on marriage, and I don't think that the church should just ignore them.
 
Hantlers said:
No offense, but I'm good.

Thanks though.
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I've never understood this thought-process, tbh.

It always kinda startles me when those that are so deeply-entrenched in their faith, are scared to read the doctrines of other sects of their religions, or other religions altogether.


I own a copy of the New Testament, and I have read it before. It has done nothing to weaken my faith-- if anything, it has strengthened it (added bonus that my religion endorses reading other books of Abrahamic origin).

I understand that you're comfortable, but it's not-like b_line is knocking on your door, at an inopportune time. It's a friggin internet link for crying out-loud.


For the record b_line, I checked out the link you posted, and it's cool. I think the heavy endorsement of family, and community-cohesion of the Mormon faith is the biggest reason as to why it has any members as it does. Though the community-cohesion aspect can have its down-sides, but I do appreciate how much importance it places on the family.
 
Hantlers said:
I just don't think that's the right priority. Shouldn't the church be focusing on our spiritual life and encouraging us to get married? Not that there's anything wrong with getting married, but there's also nothing wrong with not getting married. I said this already, but Paul has some good viewpoints on marriage, and I don't think that the church should just ignore them.
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Why can't it do both?
 
dalamon said:
I've never understood this thought-process, tbh.

It always kinda startles me when those that are so deeply-entrenched in their faith, are scared to read the doctrines of other sects of their religions, or other religions altogether.


I own a copy of the New Testament, and I have read it before. It has done nothing to weaken my faith-- if anything, it has strengthened it (added bonus that my religion endorses reading other books of Abrahamic origin).

I understand that you're comfortable, but it's not-like b_line is knocking on your door, at an inopportune time. It's a friggin internet link for crying out-loud.


For the record b_line, I checked out the link you posted, and it's cool. I think the heavy endorsement of family, and community-cohesion of the Mormon faith is the biggest reason as to why it has any members as it does. Though the community-cohesion aspect can have its down-sides, but I do appreciate how much importance it places on the family.
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I actually did look at it. It's the same stuff that pretty much any church puts out in regards to marriage. Again, I didn't want to sound rude, but I've heard all that before. I come from a very, very close family...it's really not something I'm too worried about. I'm not scared of being converted to Mormonism bud, and while I may not know a lot about it, I have studied their main theology and read parts of the BoM.

Perhaps you shouldn't assume so much, young Dala.
 
Hantlers said:
I actually did look at it.
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Then why would you say "No thanks, I'm good"? He didn't ask you to convert-- he just asked you to read it.


It's the same stuff that pretty much any church puts out in regards to marriage. Again, I didn't want to sound rude, but I've heard all that before. I come from a very, very close family...it's really not something I'm too worried about. I'm not scared of being converted to Mormonism bud, and while I may not know a lot about it, I have studied their main theology and read parts of the BoM.

Perhaps you shouldn't assume so much, young Dala.
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Perhaps you should adopt better communication skills, young Hantlers. Saying "no thanks, I'm good" is a lot different than the words you just typed up in this post.
 
Archie Moses said:
Why can't it do both?
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Again, I just don't see why a church feels the need to marry off its congregation. Being married doesn't make it easier to get to Heaven, honestly, it probably makes it harder. Of course it also allows us to see how Christ is the groom and the church is the bride.

I guess what I'm saying is that while marriage is good and should be encouraged to the right people, I just don't think that a church should be pushing their members to get married. Plus I don't like the idea of only single people hanging out and only married people hanging out...both sides can and should learn a lot from each other. I just look at the Bible and see people like Paul roughly insinuating this isn't the best idea. Just my thoughts though.
 
dalamon said:
Then why would you say "No thanks, I'm good"? He didn't ask you to convert-- he just asked you to read it.




Perhaps you should adopt better communication skills, young Hantlers. Saying "no thanks, I'm good" is a lot different than the words you just typed up in this post.
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Looked at it afterwards cause I was curious. What can I say, I'm a sap for knowledge.


Sometimes being brief is better than writing a paragraph. That is all.
 
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