Today's Yahoo Canada pool about religion
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Hyperbole, bruh.
So what are you saying? I can see longer wait times as more people would actually use health services when they're socialized. But I don't see how that in any way outweigh the fact it's free. And as far as the quality is concerned, I understand that Canada has a top rate health care system, like the U.S. or any other developed nation. I'm sure the U.S. is better at the high end of care, but we also have MANY problems on the lower end. Wasn't it TheSilencer who posted an article about the ASTOUNDING number of avoidable deaths that happen every year in U.S. hospitals mainly due to negligence.
I don't know if universal health care is better. But the current system is very clearly in need of fixing, and I am very saddened whenever people stand in the way of a solution due to misguided ideological reasons.
Wow, that was quite a reach of a response.
First of all, my post was nothing more than light-hearted ribbing.
Secondly, nothing is 'free.'
Thirdly, most would agree our healthcare system is in need of changes.
Fourthly, the only thing I would ever stand in the way of is making something worse than it already is .. but we're not really discussing any specifics here, just fun.
See AKMVP!? This is a much better arguement for Canadian healthcare being better. He address quality, cost, wait times...
We must be talking to vastly different people. Most people I know agree that the heathcare system was broken. They just disagreed on how and where to fix the system.
JAG
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Go broke or die because of the long waiting list? Tough decision.
Do you think current US hospitals see every emergency patient inside of four hours?
MVP
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Let's get back to common sense, please.
Germans to skinny for that.
This is how it is done in USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQAmsyBj23A&feature=related
PearlWatson
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You have money grabbing Americans to thank for the innovations that led to ability to even get brain surgery. Government run health care kills innovation.
Chuck Schuldiner died of a brain tumor. I don't know why he didn't have health insurance but he was not denied life saving surgery despite that. In Canada Schuldiner would have had to wait 6 months for the mri that detected his tumor, costing him valuable time.
Natasha Richardson died on a Canadian ski trip because they didn't have a basic medical helicopter system or within close proximity to a CT scan that an American resort would have been. The Canadian rationing system killed her.
The treatment in Germany wasn't about quality of US doctors.
The reason he had to go to Germany was because of America's stupid regulations.
https://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7796225/kobe-bryant-dr-chris-renna-regenokine-knee-treatment
Most Americans get health insurance through their employer and receive great treatment for serious injuries or disease.
The average ER wait is 23 hours.
People have to wait for radiation therapy (not something you afford to wait for)
6 month wait for an MRI
Interesting Stossel video for anyone interested:
Health Care: Does Canada Do It Better?
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The Black Swordsman
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Many people who consider themselves not religious is still very far from atheist. Like my dad is not religious at all, I've never discussed god with him ever but I would bet he wouldn't be an atheist. Only 3-4% of Americans are irrational enough to be atheists. "Atheism is the most daring of all dogmas, for it is the assertion of a universal negative" - Chesterton
I love how people say things like Norway or Sweden is very unreligious as if being unreligious helped their economy. Atheists love skipping over Cuba or North Korea who are less religious then Norway. Even Estonia and the Czech Republic are less religious European countries then Norway and their economy and standard of living is pretty ****.
South Korea is almost 40% Christian at this point. I don't point out and say look South Korea economy booming and North Korea is **** in comparison! Therefore religion makes the country more powerful!
I love how people say things like Norway or Sweden is very unreligious as if being unreligious helped their economy. Atheists love skipping over Cuba or North Korea who are less religious then Norway. Even Estonia and the Czech Republic are less religious European countries then Norway and their economy and standard of living is pretty ****.
South Korea is almost 40% Christian at this point. I don't point out and say look South Korea economy booming and North Korea is **** in comparison! Therefore religion makes the country more powerful!
MVP
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Have you ever been to Estonia or Czech Republic? I was driving through Montana last summer and stopped by little city called Browning. You know, it looked like I am in some 3d world country there, to bad I did not take pictures of crappy motel or dirty houses with broken windows. Never I have seen such ..... standard of living in Czech republic or Estonia. Don't talk about things you have no clue.
But they are European countries so their women walk on water and nature itself bows to their beauty.