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Eminence said:
Comparing a situation where the officers interacted with the perp in close quarters to some sort of Dirty Harry shootout - "Did he use all his ammo?" is ridiculous.
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I guess I just see the point he was making even though I agree he shouldn't have been killed for blindly firing a taser on the run. I think the point he's making is it's not entirely impossible the guy couldn't escalate things even further if he already took it to the level of resisting arrest out of no where, fighting two cops, overpowering them, stealing their weapon, running away and firing. Maybe one of the cops didn't know it was the taser that was stolen and thought it was his partner's gun. I'm not claiming to know, cause I don't. Those thoughts just aren't impossible though. I assume Log was being hyperbolic to make his point but it didn't come across as annoying to me. *shrugs*

Another thing I don't know is if the cops patted Brooks down for weapons when they initially had him exit his vehicle. If they didn't, I could see how they could fear he might have a gun and is willing to use it at that point too.

****** situation for everyone and terrible time or maybe great timing for it to happen depending on your thought process.


Here's a question for everyone. What do you think of the police chief resigning? Was that the right and respectable thing to do or was it cowardice and she did it to avoid the situation and backlash?

The cop that got fired too is probably gonna have a case suing the city. Cops have so many things that protect them that I can't see him not doing that.
 
Cops can be such assholes. I've watched some of the Live PD shows. Why do they have to handcuff people when they are not resisting? Since when has that become a protocol?

Once many years ago, I was stopped for DWI. I had two drinks and blew a 0.5 which was the lowest level at that time in NYS to be considered "impaired," a lower designation than DWI. I was never handcuffed and the officer was very cordial and said since I blew so low he would recommend that I would only be assessed a fine for a lower offense and not the driving while impaired.

But now they handcuff you for any reason. I see that as unnecessary and simply escalating the situation. If they didn't try to handcuff Brooks, I don't think the confrontation would've occurred and Brooks would still be alive. This is the problem with law enforcement. They often escalate situations and cause the confrontations rather than de-escalate them. This is where education needs to be implemented in law enforcement -- learning how to calm down a situation rather than the reverse, which is often the case.
 
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Archie Moses said:
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Hyperbole gets to me I guess.

Personally I think the police chief resigning does seem a bit cowardly and that they weren't prepared for the job during hard times (and it is a hard job).

I don't believe the cop should've been immediately fired, I personally support suspension with pay for most officers involved in deaths (there's a few obvious ones both ways where the officer either blatantly did the right or wrong thing), with some sort of reasonable time-limit on an outside investigation into the matter to make a further decision.
 
Archie Moses said:
He doesn't seem wasted but I could tell he was drunk because of how repetitive he was and how animated he was talking with his body. He wasn't slurring, wobbling and his eyes didn't look drunk though.
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Ya I expected wobbling and slurring and was surprised there wasn't much.
On the other hand I have had some run ins with the law while drunk and just the situation of dealing with cops had a sobering effect on me.

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Eenie-Meenie said:
Cops can be such assholes. I've watched some of the Live PD shows. Why do they have to handcuff people when they are not resisting? Since when has that become a protocol?

Once many years ago, I was stopped for DWI. I had two drinks and blew a 0.5 which was the lowest level at that time in NYS to be considered "impaired," a lower designation than DWI. I was never handcuffed and the officer was very cordial and said since I blew so low he would recommend that I would only be assessed a fine for a lower offense and not the driving while impaired.

But now they handcuff you for any reason. I see that as unnecessary and simply escalating the situation. If they didn't try to handcuff Brooks, I don't think the confrontation would've occurred and Brooks would still be alive. This is the problem with law enforcement. They often escalate situations and cause the confrontations rather de-escalate them. This is where education needs to be implemented in law enforcement -- learning how to calm down a situation rather than the reverse, which is often the case.
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You blew a 0.05. Not a 0.5.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Cops can be such assholes. I've watched some of the Live PD shows. Why do they have to handcuff people when they are not resisting? Since when has that become a protocol?

Once many years ago, I was stopped for DWI. I had two drinks and blew a 0.5 which was the lowest level at that time in NYS to be considered "impaired," a lower designation than DWI. I was never handcuffed and the officer was very cordial and said since I blew so low he would recommend that I would only be assessed a fine for a lower offense and not the driving while impaired.

But now they handcuff you for any reason. I see that as unnecessary and simply escalating the situation. If they didn't try to handcuff Brooks, I don't think the confrontation would've occurred and Brooks would still be alive. This is the problem with law enforcement. They often escalate situations and cause the confrontations rather de-escalate them. This is where education needs to be implemented in law enforcement -- learning how to calm down a situation rather than the reverse, which is often the case.
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I think they were cuffing him cause he was way over the limit and that means you go to jail. I think you get cuffed everytime you go to jail.

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Archie Moses said:
What did he blow do you know?
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I would have to watch the video again and it was difficult to see but I think it was .1 something. Over .1

I could be wrong though.

Based on the cop saying that he had to much and to put this hands behind his back I figure it had to be above the DUI level and I don't think the cop would lie since it was being recorded on his body cam.

I feel safe in saying the victim should have been arrested.

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fishonjazz said:
I think they were cuffing him cause he was way over the limit and that means you go to jail. I think you get cuffed everytime you go to jail.

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Do they put you in jail for a DWI? Don't they just book you and release you with a date to appear before the judge? Isn't it only a misdemeanor, or does that differ depending on the state?

Looked it up. Guess it depends on whether or not it's a first time DUI offense: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/question-dui-felony-28099.html
 
LogGrad98 said:
You realize the police are literally under fire from every single angle right now, everywhere. They are dropping from their jobs, afraid for their safety, and unsure of what to expect in any situation they can imagine. If course that cop said that. You think he wants to risk a riot in his town, or his job, if he didn't?
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Isn't that description applicable to a black man every time he steps out of his home?
 
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