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You certainly made it sound like an either or with the way you framed it:
I mean, if you're fine with reforming the police then what are we arguing about then?
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Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement
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If the past couple years is an indication, that does indeed seem the easy way to get more people murdered, raped, and robbed. Thankfully most who tried that recipe have backtracked and are now trying to build back up their police forces to get crime back under control.
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We need to de-escalate situations, not escalate them.
We need to get rid of all of these incentives the police have to fleece people, especially the most vulnerable (the poor, desperate, and POC).
We need to break down their unions. Police should not be unionized.
We need to raise their hiring standards, institute 3rd party investigations for when they **** up, no more of these internal investigations (aka, sweep things under the rug).
We need to end the war on drugs. End private prisons. Create incentives for rehab.
There's just so much that needs to be done. If police are to serve and protect instead of prey on the most vulnerable and enrich themselves (and those who benefit by the weapons and prisons they use), then they need serious reform.
We need to get rid of all of these incentives the police have to fleece people, especially the most vulnerable (the poor, desperate, and POC).
We need to break down their unions. Police should not be unionized.
We need to raise their hiring standards, institute 3rd party investigations for when they **** up, no more of these internal investigations (aka, sweep things under the rug).
We need to end the war on drugs. End private prisons. Create incentives for rehab.
There's just so much that needs to be done. If police are to serve and protect instead of prey on the most vulnerable and enrich themselves (and those who benefit by the weapons and prisons they use), then they need serious reform.
Wait, we were arguing? Hold on, let me get in the mood.
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It is possible to think it’s a good thing for police to enforce “stupid” laws like brake lights not working and expired registration while still also needing reform. I also think the escalation is a bad idea. That a simple traffic stop escalates sucks. It doesn’t have to be an either/or.
I also firmly believe the vast majority of cops are “good” cops that want nothing more than to do their jobs, be a good person, and go home to their families at the end of their shifts. Of course there are some who feel the need to exert the dominance and power. They’re assholes. There are those people in any profession. Know where they’re prevalent? Building trades.
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Mostly for my commute to and from work, which is an hour minimum each way on crowded socal freeways, so to protect myself from the idiots I have to share the road with for the most part, I have a 3-view dashcam, one cam for the front, one for the back, and one inside the car. It can run for an hour or so on battery if the car is turned off, collects video and audio, and it sends data to my phone automatically so I do not have any real limits on data collected. In any event of a stop by police I would leave that sucker running the entire time to be sure, and probably use my phone to record anything if it went beyond a simple "license and registration please" kind of stop.
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I had a cop stop me because the light that illuminates my license plate was out. The little tiny bulb that sits above the license plate. Apparently this is critical to the function of the car and is illegal to be out. It was late at night on a stretch of freeway between Fernley NV and Reno NV, almost no one else on the road. It was all I could do not to just ask they guy if he was bored or something, as I wasn't speeding and everything else was in order. Weirdest stop I ever had.
I mean I get it’s a “necessary” thing. Cop was definitely bored.
I got pulled over a couple months ago because the sticker on my license was expired, but the registration was up to date. The sticker hadn’t come in the mail yet. The cop was confused as to how it would show up in the system as paid and legal and yet have an expired sticker. Come on bro. Yet I didn’t give hive any grief over it and nothing escalated. That is what it boils down to for me personally. Don’t break the law and there’s nothing to worry about. I am a white male in a predominantly white area though. I couldn’t imagine being a black person in some other places though.
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I’ve been looking for something like this. What do you have and how do you like it?
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Prove it. Cite a study that compares murders, rapes, and robberies in cities that cut their police funding by 10% or more to cities that increased funding. Make sure that the period measured looks at the effects after defunding took effect, not after a some vote was cast.
Wait, you don't have any such studies, do you? There hasn't been enough time to collect the data yet. As usual, you're just blathering on with no evidence.
You can't fix by reversing something that didn't break it in the first place.