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Handlogten's Heros said:
I mean look at some of the deals he’s handed out over the years... several overpays. In some of the trades where we are not negotiating against a lot of suitors he gives the kitchen sink to get a deal done. Every player we signed this offseason got a player option. If we got a discount on any of those that’s okay to give an option but we were paying full sticker. Player options suck... only downside on those.

There has just been too many deals where he gives 25-30% more than he should have to when compared with other deals.
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Who were the Jazz bidding with for Clarkson? I know he's been playing out of his mind after the fact, but let's remember that the only market he had was the Jazz or the MLE.

I'm down to have happy players and being generous and all of that, but if the Jazz shaved off relative pennies on some of these deals, the Jazz glide under the LT which is gonna have (and already has had) real asset and roster ramifications.
 
Houston looks like it has too many players on its roster and would need to make a few cuts to trim down to 15 players.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Houston looks like it has too many players on its roster and would need to make a few cuts to trim down to 15 players.
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Really? They have a couple interesting guys but I'll bet they waive ones I wouldn't want.
 
FAILED STATE said:
Running an organization is complicated. Lots of moving parts. And there’s an art to all the parts. You’re acting like it’s plug-and-play.... like all the right details and timings are obvious, you just gotta get someone in the role.

It’s pretty obvious that some teams are much better at this stuff than others. Why would that be? Are the Utah Jazz the best?I
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Not sure what I said that led to the plug and play comment but I think it is as far from plug and play as it can be. I do agree that many posts on this board reflect overly simple plug and play logic rather than a dynamic and even daily changing environment.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I mean look at some of the deals he’s handed out over the years... several overpays. In some of the trades where we are not negotiating against a lot of suitors he gives the kitchen sink to get a deal done. Every player we signed this offseason got a player option. If we got a discount on any of those that’s okay to give an option but we were paying full sticker. Player options suck... only downside on those.

There has just been too many deals where he gives 25-30% more than he should have to when compared with other deals.
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Handlogten's Heros said:
I mean I had a conversation with a high ranking Jazz person at summer league a few years ago when he scoffed and mocked me because I said a player was going to get cut and he overheard a conversation and interjected. He was very dismissive and I jokingly said well that’s why you are the expert. Fast forward a few weeks and the player I said was getting cut gets cut for the exact ****ing reasons I stated. This wasn’t a scout that scoffed at me... it was a VP level dude.

Just because you get a check doesn’t mean you are always right.

The Milwaukee front office had several mistakes this summer that cost the team a bunch of money. These guys aren’t perfect.

If Ryan knows all the ins and outs of the cap I’d be surprised... that’s for other people to handle... if he knows everything and they projected everything out and he was cool going into the tax by a couple million then fine. If he’s cool with it costing him 40M or more in repeater tax or getting rid of talented guys later then fine. If we asked Favs to take a cut and he wouldn’t then fine. Someone in the front office was a little short sighted... if it was Ryan and he’s cool paying for it later then great. When it costs us a player please don’t complain.
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There is no situation in life where the experts are always right so we agree on that. That is completely different than knowing where the money is being spent. I dont see any situation of going over the cap with the owners are not in the middle of the approval process. As for the overpaying part, I am sure it has happened for all teams but we can agree to disagree on the frequency you suggest and completely fabricated notion that we bid against ourselves. I have no problem with differences of opinion but the idea that our FO or DL are incompetent and sloppy is ludicrous.
 
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