Trade deadline discussion

[infection]

Use the 2nd rounders to find role players? Cant they just buy those if they see a guy they think can be a role player. Doesn't seem like 2nd round picks are super difficult to acquire

See my post above about acquiring a guy like Justin Holiday. Can't do that if you don't have picks.

 

[Elizah Huge]

As mentioned previously, dumping Hughes and Ingles for nothing still wouldn't have gotten us out of the tax. If I recall, the discussion here last year was about getting out of the tax because the repeater issue would be problematic. We ended up being a few hundred thousand above it and you had ardently argued that they didn't **** up the math. So they intentionally went over the tax by a smidge. But now we're saying that those would be a basketball move to get under the tax this year to avoid the repeater tax? You can't say that we had good purpose to be a few hundred thousand over the tax last year has some good, master scheme behind it and that now it's imperative to get under the tax and that it's a good move. Those two ideas are completely at odds with each other and can only arise if we're parroting back the daily spin, without any thought of having to look at any consistency between narratives.


What about as an asset? Not to say him specifically, but just as an example, the Pacers were asking for two second round picks for Justin Holiday. What happens when you've emptied the cupboards to clean up previous messes and you don't have anything to trade mid-season? Do you think other teams would take an IOU of "this is a draft pick I'll buy you on draft night" in a trade? Do you think we could have had more doors open to us in trade if we were armed with a first round pick and two second rounders? Because that's what we've dumped in the past 9 months to "make basketball moves."

The craziest part about the being over the tax is they obviously miscalculated which just can’t happen when that is your job. It was as simple as giving Favors just a little less money. Just an absolute hack job.

 

[infection]

The craziest part about the being over the tax is they obviously miscalculated which just can’t happen when that is your job. It was as simple as giving Favors just a little less money. Just an absolute hack job.

That’s not what I hear. What I hear is:

1. There was a method to their madness and they intended to be over the tax last year by a few hundred thousand.

2. It would totally make sense this year, and be a basketball move, if we dumped upwards $20M in contracts without taking anything back because being in the repeater tax will be problematic.

3. However, it was okay that we were barely over the tax last year, starting the clock on the repeater tax, because surely there was a good reason. It definitely wasn’t because someone ****ed up. It’s way easier to move $20M this year than a few hundred thousand last year.

 

[fishonjazz]

See my post above about acquiring a guy like Justin Holiday. Can't do that if you don't have picks.

See my post about 2nd round picks being easy to acquire.

 

[infection]

See my post about picks being easy to acquire.

On draft night. How do you use them in deals during the season when you don’t have them?

 

[fishonjazz]

On draft night. How do you use them in deals during the season when you don’t have them?

I bet we could have traded joe ingles for 2 2nd round picks. Probably clarkson too. Maybe even butler.

 

[infection]

I can show up to 7/11 to buy something, but if I don’t have my wallet, they’re not giving me anything. I can certain get the money. That’s not a problem at all. Of course it’s easy to come up with $5. But unless I’m walking into 7/11 with $5, I’m coming out empty handed.

 

[infection]

I bet we could have traded joe ingles for 2 2nd round picks. Probably clarkson too. Maybe even butler.

We just traded Joe Ingles with two second round picks just to offload his salary. A second round pick represents $0 in a deal. It’s not as easy to make deals for second rounders when you’re taking back $10+M in salary.

 

[fishonjazz]

On draft night. How do you use them in deals during the season when you don’t have them?

I see that we used 2nd round picks in a trade just few days ago. So if the jazz wanted holiday and all that was required was two 2nd round picks then it would appear that they could have got holiday. Maybe the jazz didn't want him. Maybe his team didn't want to trade him. Maybe his price was higher. IDK.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I think the Jazz believe that 2nd rounders are easy to pick up when they need them even if they just pay cash.

1. You can’t go to the store and buy picks. Most teams don’t sell their picks, and buyers don’t get to decide how that plays out.
2. Those situations almost always come up on draft night
3. Those picks are not traded for a player (since the team you might send it to for a player could also probably just buy the pick also).
4. Do you think EIGHT 2nd rounders and a lightly protected 1st could get you a real basketball player on the trade market? Cuz that’s what they’ve traded in the last two years to clean up their mistakes.

 

[fishonjazz]

I can show up to 7/11 to buy something, but if I don’t have my wallet, they’re not giving me anything. I can certain get the money. That’s not a problem at all. Of course it’s easy to come up with $5. But unless I’m walking into 7/11 with $5, I’m coming out empty handed.

What if you didn't have the money but then went to the bank and got the money and then went to 7/11. Could you come out of 7/11 with something then? (This is all moot of course because the jazz had the money in this case)

 

[infection]

I see that we used 2nd round picks in a trade just few days ago. So if the jazz wanted holiday and all that was required was two 2nd round picks then it would appear that they could have got holiday. Maybe the jazz didn't want him. Maybe his team didn't want to trade him. Maybe his price was higher. IDK.

Our two second rounders were spoken for… because we were shopping them to salary dump Ingles.