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Trade deadline discussion

Jazz in: Marcus Smart, Robert Covington
Jazz out: Bojan Bogdanovic, Jordan Clarkson

Blazers in: Reggie Bullock, 2 second round picks from (Dallas, Boston)
Blazers out: Robert Covington

Celtics in: Bojan Bogdanovic
Celtics out: Marcus Smart and 2nd round pick

Mavs in: Jordan Clarkson
Mavs out: Reggie Bullock and 2nd round pick
 
jom2003 said:
You can't be serious
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I started responding to this, but then I realized that I wasn’t sure if you thought this wasn’t a serious package to get those two guys or if you thought it was giving up too much. With the way people feel about Royce, it’s hard to tell.
 
LoPo said:
Good read on Marcus Smart. Makes it seem like he should be traded but not everybody would be interested.

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Jeff Goodman: Celtics Have to "try and move" Marcus Smart - CLNS Media

On the latest edition of the Garden Report, Jeff Goodman gave his thoughts on why the Celtics should trade Marcus Smart.
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I think it's important to remember two things:
1 - Most of the chatter on message boards is directed at the topic of shortcomings and how to improve. This can lead to some real grass-is-greener thinking. Smart has some real warts, and it really is NOT working in Boston right now. But at least he provides grit and defense, and we desperately need that. Sometimes change for change sake has some value, that applies both to Smart/Celtics and Clarkson/Jazz
2 - The Jazz are pretty ****ing good and playing really ****ing bad.
 
infection said:
I think we’ve convinced ourselves to be “too realistic” surrounding trade values with Smart. We’re talking about needing to send first round picks and such to land him. But this Boston reporter is talking about how his contract is hard to move, and another Boston person had suggested Smart and a pick for Clarkson. We’re talking about Clarkson plus a pick or Bojan. I just don’t think Smart’s market is as high as we’ve made it seem here. His efficiency is really bad. Then couple that with his contract extension kicking in next year and that’s a huge pill to swallow to a team on the tax (both us and Boston) and that doesn’t get nearly enough attention. We’d be paying him $21M in ‘25-‘26. Plus simply swapping Clarkson for him this year costs us like $10M or something when all is said and done with tax (haven’t officially run the numbers, I’ll leave that to someone else). There’s no way we send (or at least no way we should send) a first rounder to enter tax hell. He’d be costing us other players next year. I’d make them eat Udoka’s deal.
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So here is the deal... JC and Smart are both kind of "eye of the beholder" guys. Their value could be negative with some teams and some teams would love them. I've heard some Boston folks say they aren't trading Marcus unless they get bowled over because he is the heart and soul of the team. He also had fights with Tatum and Brown and has called those guys out... so if they sell him off cheaper than we think then it is because that relationship isn't great imo.

The reason we will be the team that pays more is because we are a little more desperate to make "fetch" happen. They are likely looking at this as a slight pivot year and if the return in a trade is "meh" then they will pass.

The reasons I like Smart are things that go beyond the spreadsheet. They might be a bunch of hippy dippy bologna. He's a good defender but even good defenders get torched in the NBA. He's a good blend of lock down defender and help defender... but the main reason we need him is he's a competitive ******* that will fight everyone. Not sure if you watch Yellowstone... but if not I recommend it (its an after the kids go to bed show... and the wife may not be cool with it). Smart would be our Beth. The pot stirrer that fights everyone (including her own family), is not afraid to get dirty, but is fiercely loyal and comes from a good spot. We need that energy guy... who isn't above flopping for a foul... who will irritate other players... who might even fight his own teammates if he thinks they are being lazy or selfish. He straddles the line... which is exactly what we need. I think that can change the identity of a team.

I also think both JC and Smart are inefficient... but the ways they do it are different. JC does it while dribbling the **** out of the ball and I think it really hurts the guys he is on the court with... Smart is actually a ball mover... he might wake Joe up or we might get more from Rudy Gay because the ball is moving.

I won't trade Bogey for Smart unless there is other stuff coming back and we have a trade lined up for Harrison Barnes or Kenrich Williams or some other good replacement. If it is JC and a somewhat fake first (lotto protected from 2026 to 2028) then we may just have to do it. I think Smart has value if we moved him later down the road (unless he gets hurt). I don't think he ever becomes an unmovable contract just based on play.

Hopefully we get something while it is on sale... I think Smart would have more admirers than JC... so I think we likely have to pay retail or a slight premium. They have more time than us.
 
It's times like this that I see the future haul that teams like NO and OKC have and a solemn tear trickles down my cheek.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I think it's important to remember two things:
1 - Most of the chatter on message boards is directed at the topic of shortcomings and how to improve. This can lead to some real grass-is-greener thinking. Smart has some real warts, and it really is NOT working in Boston right now. But at least he provides grit and defense, and we desperately need that. Sometimes change for change sake has some value, that applies both to Smart/Celtics and Clarkson/Jazz
2 - The Jazz are pretty ****ing good and playing really ****ing bad.
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Smart’s flaws are pretty big and definitely underplayed here, but in my mind the real way around that is having to have him be. Royce replacement and not necessarily a JC replacement. He needs Royce’s role and then Royce needs to step back to the bench and fill JC’s role (well, not his role, but you know what I mean). If Smart were just plugged in to JC’s role then it would only give us about 25% of what we could get out of that trade and I don’t know that Quin is up for making the change to get to the 100%.
 
infection said:


I’m not clamoring for Holiday or anything, but this is the kind of thing where you’re completely hamstrung by emptying your cupboards entirely of all second round picks gratuitously. And the “lolz you can just buy seconds on darft night” proves laughable.
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The lolz group are the best... cuz they will lolz you when you suggest trading a second for a backend rotation piece but then they will also lolz you when we trade a second to save some cash. They win no matter what.
 
infection said:
Smart’s flaws are pretty big and definitely underplayed here, but in my mind the real way around that is having to have him be. Royce replacement and not necessarily a JC replacement. He needs Royce’s role and then Royce needs to step back to the bench and fill JC’s role (well, not his role, but you know what I mean). If Smart were just plugged in to JC’s role then it would only give us about 25% of what we could get out of that trade and I don’t know that Quin is up for making the change to get to the 100%.
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I think you only play Smart at the 3 situationally, not full-time. I think he'd work off the bench, understanding:
1 - You can still play him 30 minutes
2 - He doesn't have to take on JC's ROLE

I'd be open to having him close games depending on how things play out, but grabbing him with the plan and expectation that he can guard up like that for 30 minutes a game is unwise.

In any case, we need more grit, defense, and mother-****er in a desperate way. Way too much fake chill, way too little toughness for a team even pretending to be a contender. And Smart might be the only guy with the stones and the chops to bust everyone on the roster's *** top to bottom when it's needed. And it is needed.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So here is the deal... JC and Smart are both kind of "eye of the beholder" guys. Their value could be negative with some teams and some teams would love them. I've heard some Boston folks say they aren't trading Marcus unless they get bowled over because he is the heart and soul of the team. He also had fights with Tatum and Brown and has called those guys out... so if they sell him off cheaper than we think then it is because that relationship isn't great imo.

The reason we will be the team that pays more is because we are a little more desperate to make "fetch" happen. They are likely looking at this as a slight pivot year and if the return in a trade is "meh" then they will pass.

The reasons I like Smart are things that go beyond the spreadsheet. They might be a bunch of hippy dippy bologna. He's a good defender but even good defenders get torched in the NBA. He's a good blend of lock down defender and help defender... but the main reason we need him is he's a competitive ******* that will fight everyone. Not sure if you watch Yellowstone... but if not I recommend it (its an after the kids go to bed show... and the wife may not be cool with it). Smart would be our Beth. The pot stirrer that fights everyone (including her own family), is not afraid to get dirty, but is fiercely loyal and comes from a good spot. We need that energy guy... who isn't above flopping for a foul... who will irritate other players... who might even fight his own teammates if he thinks they are being lazy or selfish. He straddles the line... which is exactly what we need. I think that can change the identity of a team.

I also think both JC and Smart are inefficient... but the ways they do it are different. JC does it while dribbling the **** out of the ball and I think it really hurts the guys he is on the court with... Smart is actually a ball mover... he might wake Joe up or we might get more from Rudy Gay because the ball is moving.

I won't trade Bogey for Smart unless there is other stuff coming back and we have a trade lined up for Harrison Barnes or Kenrich Williams or some other good replacement. If it is JC and a somewhat fake first (lotto protected from 2026 to 2028) then we may just have to do it. I think Smart has value if we moved him later down the road (unless he gets hurt). I don't think he ever becomes an unmovable contract just based on play.

Hopefully we get something while it is on sale... I think Smart would have more admirers than JC... so I think we likely have to pay retail or a slight premium. They have more time than us.
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If, as per my post above, we moved Smart into Royce’s role, then I’d be willing to overpay despite potential cap collateral later on. But if it’s as I’d suspect and Quin would just use Smart off the bench or only close with him in place of someone who’s not Royce, then it’s going to be silly and only marginally raise our ceiling. Getting more production from Royce’s heavy minutes is a huge blind spot and Smart would give us everything we would want there and I don’t believe his offensive limitations or inefficiency would be that big of a deal of what he is replacing is Royce, even if Royce is very efficient on very low usage.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The lolz group are the best... cuz they will lolz you when you suggest trading a second for a backend rotation piece but then they will also lolz you when we trade a second to save some cash. They win no matter what.
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They get a commission on every outgoing second rounder except ones that net a player and not money.
 
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