Trade Jefferson and 3 for Perkins and Harden

[gregbroncs]

Any move that puts Hayward with significant minutes at SF gets a no from me...

He can outmatch other SGs when defending because of his length and I believe he is quick enough running around chasing SGs...

...but he will be physically outmatched by other SFs (LeBron, Carmelo, Pierce, Marion, etc, etc)

So if we trade Millsap for Kobe you say no? How about for Wade? Harden is far better than Hayward right now. And is probably already better than Hayward will ever be. Not making a trade to protect an inferior player is just plain stupid.

 

[vslice02]

Sam Presti values team chemistry and OKC is clearly high on Perkins for his toughness and leadership, so why would they trade him away for a perennial loser (not calling Al a loser, just that he has rarely experienced winning - or the playoffs) who would be another ball-stopper when they already have problems with Westbrook deferring to Durant? And why would they include the one good thing to come out of the WCF - the emergence of James Harden into a bigtime scorer? I don't get it.

 

[The Midnight]

So if we trade Millsap for Kobe you say no? How about for Wade? Harden is far better than Hayward right now. And is probably already better than Hayward will ever be. Not making a trade to protect an inferior player is just plain stupid.

Well how realistic is that though? It would probably have to be:

Millsap + Hayward + future 1st round pick for Kobe/Wade.

Or

Millsap + Favors + future 1st round pick for Kobe/Wade.

But would you be willing to do either of that?

Considering Hayward is already a solid up and coming SG who is a good fit for our system, I don't think there's a need to do any of those trades....

 

[vslice02]

It would probably have to be:

Millsap + Hayward + future 1st round pick for Kobe/Wade.
But would you be willing to do either of that?

Considering Hayward is already a solid up and coming SG who is a good fit for our system, I don't think there's a need to do any of those trades....

Wait...what? Not that Wade in SLC would ever happen - Wade would strangle Pat Riley with LeBron's headband first, but seriously?

 

[NUMBERICA]

I would do it or for Ibaka straight up, but OKC wouldn't. Unless they love Kanter (which makes some sense).

 

[The Midnight]

Wait...what? Not that Wade in SLC would ever happen - Wade would strangle Pat Riley with LeBron's headband first, but seriously?

My reply was to a hypothetical situation from Bronco's previous post...

 

[vslice02]

My reply was to a hypothetical situation from Bronco's previous post...

I understood the context - I was just suprised a Jazz fan wouldn't trade Hayward, Millsap, and a future first for Dwayne Wade.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I understood the context - I was just suprised a Jazz fan wouldn't trade Hayward, Millsap, and a future first for Dwayne Wade.

I wouldn't. I hate Wade. And he would hate Salt Lake. I want no part of any of the "Decision" guys. I want no part of any players who have placed themselves above teams or coaches and have dictated where they "must" go/stay and/or have had a major say in a coach being hired or fired.

 

[The Midnight]

I wouldn't. I hate Wade. And he would hate Salt Lake. I want no part of any of the "Decision" guys. I want no part of any players who have placed themselves above teams or coaches and have dictated where they "must" go/stay and/or have had a major say in a coach being hired or fired.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Chris]

I know some people on here just really don't like Jefferson, but I think he looked a LOT better as this past season progressed. Now that he's a fit in the system (and whatever system we have going forward), I think he'll continue to produce. I know he plays questionable defense, but he scores and rebounds very well. 20/10 guys don't grow on trees. It might be his albatross of a contract that makes him undesirable, but I think he's a top player in this league and I'd like to keep him in town until his contract becomes untenable.

 

[gregbroncs]

Well how realistic is that though? It would probably have to be:

Millsap + Hayward + future 1st round pick for Kobe/Wade.

Or

Millsap + Favors + future 1st round pick for Kobe/Wade.

But would you be willing to do either of that?

Considering Hayward is already a solid up and coming SG who is a good fit for our system, I don't think there's a need to do any of those trades....

My reply was to your statement that any trade that puts Hayward at SF for significant minutes gets a "no" from you. I was just showing how stupid the statement was.

If the Jazz could trade for Harden I would give up any player on the current team except Favors. This includes Hayward. Worrying about how much an inferior player has to play out of position because you are getting a better player at his position is just plain stupid. And FWIW I don't really buy that Hayward is out of position at SF. He may have some teams that it's a tough matchup but there would be other's where he is tough for them to guard at SF. He actually has some tough matchups at SG as well. Kobe, Wade, Harden, Ginobili, and Mathews are all players at SG that he would be hard pressed to slow down.

 

[The Midnight]

My reply was to your statement that any trade that puts Hayward at SF for significant minutes gets a "no" from you. I was just showing how stupid the statement was.

If the Jazz could trade for Harden I would give up any player on the current team except Favors. This includes Hayward. Worrying about how much an inferior player has to play out of position because you are getting a better player at his position is just plain stupid. And FWIW I don't really buy that Hayward is out of position at SF. He may have some teams that it's a tough matchup but there would be other's where he is tough for them to guard at SF. He actually has some tough matchups at SG as well. Kobe, Wade, Harden, Ginobili, and Mathews are all players at SG that he would be hard pressed to slow down.

Well you said what if we can get Kobe/Wade? - I just showed you that we'd have to give up so much that it's not worth it. Not to mention that neither Kobe or Wade would be a good fit for the Jazz (Kobe would ask to be traded every year we don't win the Championship, Wade would never leave Miami let alone LeBron).

So don't use some "hypothetical" scenario where that's never gonna happen. Come up with some realistic examples.

As for Hayward guarding tough SG - did you even see the Lakers game where Hayward was guarding Kobe? Please go back & watch that game before making that statement.