Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I consider 23 points (on 53% shooting), 9 assists (should have been like 15 if guys would have hit wide open looks) and 8 rebounds better than an average game.

We can argue this all we want, but nobody in the NBA can carry a team on their own. Excellent players can be the difference if their team is good enough, but they can't carry a team. Minus maybe LeBron James, but he might be the only guy in the history of the league to do it.

Because everyone knows NBA players shoot 100% on open shots lmao

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Of course the team's best player needs to make big plays, but there are plenty of fantastic players who make big plays and those teams don't even make the playoffs or advance. LeBron had an MVP calibur type year and he didn't even make the playoffs. I've already mentioned KD.

Donovan has been one of the best playoff performers the last few years before this year. Our supporting cast and our system is just flawed. It ain't enough.

Luka has a number of capable perimeter defenders to throw at opposing teams. If he plays well and scores a ton, they actually have players who can slow down the opponent. And it ain't Luka slowing down opponents with his defense. It's teammates. Add in that Brunson is a better offensive player than anybody we have not named Donovan. Dinwiddie isn't bad either. Kleber is out there defending better than Bojan and shooting as well has he does.

The biggest thing - Dallas can play modern day NBA basketball. We are stuck with playing just one way.

Is this the new Lopo Talking Point?

The NBA team with one of the best offenses that has been #1 and #2 the past two seasons in 3 point attempts is not modern basketball?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

THe real issue: Donovan makes no one better on offense and actively makes his teammates worse on defense.

Stellar individual scorer. Not **** as a leader, a trashcan in the clutch, and a dumpster on defense.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

That's just bogus. As ridiculous as saying we would be a contender if Rudy could create his own offense and score 25 a game.

Our supporting cast is a joke. Everybody is so incredibly one dimensional. Easy to guard and easy to attack.




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The jazz had the #1 offense in the regular season. You don’t do that with subpar players around him.

 

[LoPo]

The jazz had the #1 offense in the regular season. You don’t do that with subpar players around him.

The Tennessee Titans had the #1 seed in the entire AFC last year. Regular season and postseason are just two completely different competitions.

We averaged less than 100ppg against Dallas with our "#1 offense in the regular season."

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Good lord Lopo is a complete jackass for overly focusing on offense.

Utah has been stellar offensively the past two seasons. They faltered this year in the playoffs, but that's a 6 game sample size.

Wonder why he focusing on offense when it's clearly defense? And who is the biggest offender on defense? Donovan Mitchell

This is like Republicans trying to blame gun deaths on everything but ease of access to guns.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The Tennessee Titans had the #1 seed in the entire AFC last year. Regular season and postseason are just two completely different competitions.

We averaged less than 100ppg against Dallas with our "#1 offense in the regular season."

Yeah, crazy, it's like when your main scorer decides to miss all his 3 pointers and shoot below 40% your offense is going to suffer a bit.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Of course the team's best player needs to make big plays, but there are plenty of fantastic players who make big plays and those teams don't even make the playoffs or advance. LeBron had an MVP calibur type year and he didn't even make the playoffs. I've already mentioned KD.

Donovan has been one of the best playoff performers the last few years before this year. Our supporting cast and our system is just flawed. It ain't enough.

Luka has a number of capable perimeter defenders to throw at opposing teams. If he plays well and scores a ton, they actually have players who can slow down the opponent. And it ain't Luka slowing down opponents with his defense. It's teammates. Add in that Brunson is a better offensive player than anybody we have not named Donovan. Dinwiddie isn't bad either. Kleber is out there defending better than Bojan and shooting as well has he does.

The biggest thing - Dallas can play modern day NBA basketball. We are stuck with playing just one way.

Dallas works because of Luka... If Donovan landed on Dallas' roster and Luka landed on the Jazz roster in a 1 for 1 trade what does the series look like. Luka provides some defensive value as a rebounder and just due to his size.

If we are going to do non-rudy and add 3 and D wings our team success will be tied to how well Donovan develops as a passer and defender... It will be true with Rudy... it will be even more true without him.

Also, KD lost to the the team in the finals... was a toe nail away from beating the team that won it all last year. His supporting cast has been garbage the last two years.... Lebron and AD had all sorts or injuries. Best player in the series doesn't always hold true. It simply shows how hard it is to win at the highest levels. If you think Donovan can be the best player on a conference finals team without improving in big ways on defense and playmaking then I'm not sure what to tell you. If you don't believe that then we better get a star that is better than he is.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, crazy, it's like when your main scorer decides to miss all his 3 pointers and shoot below 40% your offense is going to suffer a bit.

That is Mike and Rudy's fault obvi. Also the system made him miss...

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It wouldn't be as Donovan dependent if we had a couple young prospects coming up that showed real promise. We don't have that... and we haven't had that for a few years... if we move Rudy for some of those types the timeline with Donovan gets wonky.

Its just so clearly over... spin what we have and invest it in the next great team rather than draining it so dorky Ryan can think he's cool over the AS break.

 

[LoPo]

That is Mike and Rudy's fault obvi. Also the system made him miss...

I've said Don played poorly, but putting the series loss on Don is just another lame *** attempt by you morons.

Don played series like MJ, and we lost. He played poorly, and we lost.

Blame the real factors.

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[jom2003]

That is Mike and Rudy's fault obvi. Also the system made him miss...

Technically it is. Donovan averages 40pt per 100poss on 46% shooting against Dallas whenever Mike isn't on the floor. And only 29pt on 33% shooting when he is. Having Mike Conley automatically shifts DM to a tougher matchup where he has size disadvantage.