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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

I would guess we leaked to Shams to try to squeeze more out somewhere else, who knows though. Think Vando return is going to be disappointing and probably still worth taking. He kinda stinks.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Vanderbilt would help them. Their backcourt defense is soft and Nurkic has been slowing down and can use all the help they can get. Just having JV rebound and push the ball is going to help them.

Why leak it to Shams though?
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It ain't no secret... literally every national guy and local guy has said Vando is most likely to be traded. Dame also let us know Vando was his dude. This ain't news at all. Shams wanted to do a commercial without giving up the good stuff.
 
Portland owes a pick that has like perpetual protections to Chicago. A Portland deal will likely return Hart imo. They are also like an inch away from the tax so very salary constrained. My guess is Vando/KO for Hart/Winslow. Gonna say no picks go either way. I like the deal.
 
Portland owes a pick to Chicago that is top 14 protected until 2028. Unless they work with Chicago to change the protections they won't be able to trade a pick without language that makes it really tough to guess when/if that pick would be conveyed.
 
The only thing I know that is a rock solid lock is that all of the people who post daily on how they hate Olynyk and Gay, will descend into spittle-flecked madness if they have to watch Duncan Robinson play here for 3 freaking years. It would really suck to have such an advantageous cap situation with our two best players making around 18 million combined and that loser soaking up 16 million.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Portland owes a pick that has like perpetual protections to Chicago. A Portland deal will likely return Hart imo. They are also like an inch away from the tax so very salary constrained. My guess is Vando/KO for Hart/Winslow. Gonna say no picks go either way. I like the deal.
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Gotta feel real confident in signing Hart to make it worthwhile. But I'm a huge Josh Hart guy. Bird rights make it easier to resign him at above the MLE.
 
KqWIN said:
How does it work with trading POR's picks when they have a first that's protected until 2028?
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You just have to satisfy the Stepien rule and the rule that says you can't trade a pick more than 7 years out or whatever. So they would send a conditional pick that conveys 2 years after the pick they send to Chicago. It would be worded like a 2025 pick to Utah if the pick they owe to chicago has conveyed... if not it rolls forward until 2029 and then you get nothing.

If it happens I really think its Hart that comes back. They aren't bringing him back with their finances... been lots of smoke on him. We win cuz we have the guy Dame loves. Maybe we flip Hart to another team for someone under contract longer (team control has been a huge theme for all the rumors). I would think we'd keep Hart and maybe he looks more like the Hart from last year.
 
KqWIN said:
Gotta feel real confident in signing Hart to make it worthwhile. But I'm a huge Josh Hart guy. Bird rights make it easier to resign him at above the MLE.
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I'm cool either way tbh. I don't see Vando or KO as super valuable. If we wanted seconds we should have got them from the Lakers and Pistons in the Bev and Bogey trades. If he stays and it works then awesome. If he wants to bounce there is a solid chance his acquirer will work on a sign and trade with us. Unless he signs for MLE money or goes to one of the ****** teams with cap space (sorry Indy... you ain't ******). I think we'd offer more than MLE... so he'd have to take a paycut to leave.

I guess I feel confident we wouldn't lose him for nothing... if he bounced then I guess we cleared like 7M in payroll between Vando and KO's small guarantee. Alone you were likely only getting seconds... I love seconds... DA can't be bothered with them.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm cool either way tbh. I don't see Vando or KO as super valuable. If we wanted seconds we should have got them from the Lakers and Pistons in the Bev and Bogey trades. If he stays and it works then awesome. If he wants to bounce there is a solid chance his acquirer will work on a sign and trade with us. Unless he signs for MLE money or goes to one of the ****** teams with cap space (sorry Indy... you ain't ******). I think we'd offer more than MLE... so he'd have to take a paycut to leave.

I guess I feel confident we wouldn't lose him for nothing... if he bounced then I guess we cleared like 7M in payroll between Vando and KO's small guarantee. Alone you were likely only getting seconds... I love seconds... DA can't be bothered with them.
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It's not a bad alternative if there are no real firsts on the table for Vando/anything for Olynyk. If you can resign Hart, which I'd be fairly confident in, that's a strong deal.

I'm also not against bringing back Vando if this is the best deal out there and hoping he makes some improvement. I think he can play better than he has this year, especially on defense.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
You just have to satisfy the Stepien rule and the rule that says you can't trade a pick more than 7 years out or whatever. So they would send a conditional pick that conveys 2 years after the pick they send to Chicago. It would be worded like a 2025 pick to Utah if the pick they owe to chicago has conveyed... if not it rolls forward until 2029 and then you get nothing.

If it happens I really think its Hart that comes back. They aren't bringing him back with their finances... been lots of smoke on him. We win cuz we have the guy Dame loves. Maybe we flip Hart to another team for someone under contract longer (team control has been a huge theme for all the rumors). I would think we'd keep Hart and maybe he looks more like the Hart from last year.
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They can always get a third team involved
 
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