Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Oh it was a complete whiff and not part of any gameplan and he ends up dying with no effort. If you get beat that bad you can hustle in rotation to the next guy too.

I can’t tell if it’s effort or IQ with Donovan. There are just too many times when he is completely unfocused. I don’t know if it’s something that ever clicks in either case. If it was going to click I think we’d have seen it more consistently.

If it’s a random regular season game… okay chill here and there but do it enough you have the muscle memory and can rise to the occasion in the playoffs.

It’s the biggest disappointment because that is the thing that is most likely to take him from star to superstar and he just doesn’t have it… and has actually gone to the below average levels even though he has above average tools.

Some players are just built different, and some players are built like they are waiting their time to get to NYC while they stat pad.

 

[LoPo]

Oh it was a complete whiff and not part of any gameplan and he ends up dying with no effort. If you get beat that bad you can hustle in rotation to the next guy too.

I can’t tell if it’s effort or IQ with Donovan. There are just too many times when he is completely unfocused. I don’t know if it’s something that ever clicks in either case. If it was going to click I think we’d have seen it more consistently.

If it’s a random regular season game… okay chill here and there but do it enough you have the muscle memory and can rise to the occasion in the playoffs.

It’s the biggest disappointment because that is the thing that is most likely to take him from star to superstar and he just doesn’t have it… and has actually gone to the below average levels even though he has above average tools.

The plan was set and we didn't execute.

Don literally takes away the right side dribble so when Dinwiddie drives down to Rudy, he's double teamed on his right side (right handed shooter) with only one option in the corner in Brunson that Royce was not going to leave. I don't know if it's Don's fault or Rudy's fault that Dinwiddie was able to split them. Hell, might be both. Don didn't rush enough for me to close the gap, but the play was there to be made between the both of them.

If Dinwiddie is kept on his left side and unable to kick it out right side, we likely force a shot clock violation.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Some players are just built different, and some players are built like they are waiting their time to get to NYC while they stat pad.

I just think he may not have it on defense... whether its the endless energy that Giannis has or the amazing focus/IQ like a CP has. In college you can overwhelm guys with tools and athleticism.

I just don't know that getting in a different situation or teammates will change the defense for him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The plan was set and we didn't execute.

Don literally takes away the right side dribble so when Dinwiddie drives down to Rudy, he's double teamed on his right side (right handed shooter) with only one option in the corner in Brunson that Royce was not going to leave. I don't know if it's Don's fault or Rudy's fault that Dinwiddie was able to split them. Hell, might be both. Don didn't rush enough for me to close the gap, but the play was there to be made between the both of them.

If Dinwiddie is kept on his left side and unable to kick it out right side, we likely force a shot clock violation.

He took nothing away... he got beat so bad that Dinwiddie got back to his right. When he got beat Dinwiddie is a little off center but you don't think he can finish with the left? This ain't rec league. From where he gets beat if Rudy doesn't step in Dinwiddie can finish with the left or right side of the rim. He throws it to the corner but from where he is he could throw it to any side of the court he wants. Getting beat cleanly down the middle is like the worst thing that can happen on defense... it was not part of the plan.

Would be like someone saying Quin wants guys to take dunk attempts with Rudy challenging... the dunk is part of the plan.

 

[LoPo]

I just don't know that getting in a different situation or teammates will change the defense for him.

Honestly, I don't think anybody is happy. None of the guys are. Conley is just cruising. Royce and Bojan look like they are trying, but they constantly lose focus. There is no joy in how we play.

If you've played competitive sports, you just know when you are on a team or face a team that's bought in. The guys that want to fight for everything. The guys who are elated by team success. When we beat Dallas in that thriller, we didn't celebrate as much as exhale. It was a stress reliever more than a celebration. And that's the last game we won.

 

[LoPo]

He took nothing away... he got beat so bad that Dinwiddie got back to his right. When he got beat Dinwiddie is a little off center but you don't think he can finish with the left? This ain't rec league. From where he gets beat if Rudy doesn't step in Dinwiddie can finish with the left or right side of the rim. He throws it to the corner but from where he is he could throw it to any side of the court he wants. Getting beat cleanly down the middle is like the worst thing that can happen on defense... it was not part of the plan.

Would be like someone saying Quin wants guys to take dunk attempts with Rudy challenging... the dunk is part of the plan.

Dallas lined up in a set that had an iso up top with 3 out on the right. So if Don pushes Dinwiddie to his left and to Rudy, Dinwiddie has to hit a very tough left handed shot or floater on the run going to his left.

Like I say often, I could be wrong, but it looks to me like he forced him left on purpose. Rudy is supposed to step in because that's the design. We have been funneling stuff to Rudy for years.

I think Don messed up by not pushing down enough and to Rudy, but the plan was to send him left and to Rudy.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

UtahJazz32 is legitimately stupid and he really embraces it.

Lopo is accidentally stupid and he doesnt realize it.

Like UJ32 is the 14 year old version of the Lopo.

Wow if that's not internet bullying I don't know what is!

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Dallas lined up in a set that had an iso up top with 3 out on the right. So if Don pushes Dinwiddie to his left and to Rudy, Dinwiddie has to hit a very tough left handed shot or floater on the run going to his left.

Like I say often, I could be wrong, but it looks to me like he forced him left on purpose. Rudy is supposed to step in because that's the design. We have been funneling stuff to Rudy for years.

I think Don messed up by not pushing down enough and to Rudy, but the plan was to send him left and to Rudy.

Let me tell you what the plan was... Donovan stays in front... he did not and got beat badly. He didn't take anything away from Spencer at all. He didn't pressure from behind. He wasn't pushing Spencer one way... and Rudy came from the other side to help.

He got smoked... it happens. You don't have to come up with some elaborate explanation how that was part of the plan. It wasn't.

Now Bogey could rotate to the corner then House or Donovan need to rotate but everyone was watching the ball. That should tell you the plan wasn't for one guy to get cooked on a straight line drive because everyone would be, hopefully, getting ready to rotate.

This is the type of stuff that gets you lit up. Donovan straight got cooked and if you can't see that I can't discuss it anymore.

I mean without a screen he got a full step in front and had both sides of the rim available. Donovan didn't attempt to even get a hand on the pass... it was really bad.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

My take on Butler is that he is a middle 2nd round pick and often performed like it. A couple of times he played with the Stars he looked bad, really bad as getting lit up by GLeague journeymen. The ball stopped moving when it touched his hands and he appeared to have no interest in playing D. I can see why Forrest had Quin's trust more. I think he didn't play summer league last year because those warts would have been fully exposed.

He's looked good when he's had his opportunity on the big stage. I think playing in some dimly lit gym with a handful of people in the stands must feel like being banished to Siberia for guys that have tasted the really big stage like Butler has. To me he's much better than mid second round just by virtue of his "Big game" performances. Plus he reminds me a bit of Jalen Brunson with his craftiness and toughness.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lopo really trying so hard to spin Mitchell getting burnt on defense.

Sorry bruh, Jazzfanz isnt a board made up of morons. You can try that thing with your very narrow family tree.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The plan was set and we didn't execute.

Don literally takes away the right side dribble so when Dinwiddie drives down to Rudy, he's double teamed on his right side (right handed shooter) with only one option in the corner in Brunson that Royce was not going to leave. I don't know if it's Don's fault or Rudy's fault that Dinwiddie was able to split them. Hell, might be both. Don didn't rush enough for me to close the gap, but the play was there to be made between the both of them.

If Dinwiddie is kept on his left side and unable to kick it out right side, we likely force a shot clock violation.

Here's another crazy though, what if the 6'1 super athlete just stayed in front and contested a guy who was shooting terribly that series?

Wild.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Here's another crazy though, what if the 6'1 super athlete just stayed in front and contested a guy who was shooting terribly that series?

Wild.

I’m iso with 5 out you really need to stay in front… funnel/drop big is when there is like a screen action of some sort. There really isn’t a “system” in iso like that.

they actually stopped running their stuff because they didn’t need to… just isolate and cook the guy in front of you. The pickup ball/rec league offense was enough to bury us.