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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

Jake Fischer article in B/R --
View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10036706-early-nba-free-agency-buzz-intel-on-deandre-ayton-zach-lavine-and-more

Some good nuggets in here--
** Chatter seems to be that the Suns will try to sign-and-trade Ayton to another team. Mentions Blazers, Spurs, Pistons, Hawks and Hornets as possibilities.
** Speculates that Hawks' players, aside from Trae, could be attainable in trade and that the team is willing to make big changes.
** Collins, Huerter and Gallinari were in trade discussions before last Feb's trade deadline.
** Donovan Mitchell and Bradley Beal are expected to stay with Utah and Washington, respectively, but Hawks are positioned to make a big offer if either becomes available.
** Hawks are also a potential destination for Zach Lavine, as are Portland and San Antonio.

Teams that strike out on Deandre Ayton might have some level of interest in Gobert -- Blazers, Spurs, Hawks and Hornets especially.
I'm hoping that teams trying to attract Lavine in free agency might overpay on Gobert in order to seal the deal with Lavine -- Hawks, Spurs, Blazers.

I think we want the Hawks and Spurs to miss out on Ayton, then bid against each other for Gobert in order to attract Lavine to sign with them.
 
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Jake Fischer article in B/R --
View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10036706-early-nba-free-agency-buzz-intel-on-deandre-ayton-zach-lavine-and-more

Some good nuggets in here--
** Chatter seems to be that the Suns will try to sign-and-trade Ayton to another team. Mentions Blazers, Spurs, Pistons, Hawks and Hornets as possibilities.
** Speculates that Hawks' players, aside from Trae, could be attainable in trade and that the team is willing to make big changes.
** Collins, Huerter and Gallinari were in trade discussions before last Feb's trade deadline.
** Donovan Mitchell and Bradley Beal are expected to stay with Utah and Washington, respectively, but Hawks are positioned to make a big offer if either becomes available.
** Hawks are also a potential destination for Zach Lavine, as are Portland and San Antonio.

Teams that strike out on Deandre Ayton might have some level of interest in Gobert -- Blazers, Spurs, Hawks and Hornets especially.
I'm hoping that teams trying to attract Lavine in free agency might overpay on Gobert in order to seal the deal with Lavine -- Hawks, Spurs, Blazers.

I think we want the Hawks and Spurs to miss out on Ayton, then bid against each other for Gobert in order to attract Lavine to sign with them.
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Here is the issue with your Ayton Rudy markets… you’d like to trade Rudy on draft night if you are landing a pick… Ayton can’t be traded until free agency opens. So the potential Ayton market may actually make teams wait to see how that resolves first… doesn’t kill Rudy deals of course but you’d be taking future picks back instead of current picks.

If Rudy is dealt this offseason I think it happens on draft week/night.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Here is the issue with your Ayton Rudy markets… you’d like to trade Rudy on draft night if you are landing a pick… Ayton can’t be traded until free agency opens. So the potential Ayton market may actually make teams wait to see how that resolves first… doesn’t kill Rudy deals of course but you’d be taking future picks back instead of current picks.

If Rudy is dealt this offseason I think it happens on draft week/night.
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This is true, but the decisions will be made in advance. By the draft, people will know where Ayton wants to sign on a 4-year max, where Lavine wants to go (at least his shortlist), and where Rudy will be traded (if he's traded). If there is uncertainty surrounding the Ayton situation, it will be due to the specifics of the sign-and-trade with Phoenix. And if things are really unsettled--for instance, if there is a chance that PHX matches the Ayton offer sheet, it might even play in the Jazz's favor and make a team commit to Rudy sooner.

If you're the Spurs, and you have the chance to put Lavine and Gobert next to Dejounte Murray, you probably don't wait on account of what happens with Ayton.
If you're the Hawks and you can do the same with Trae Young, you probably make that your gameplan before the draft.

To your point though, it would be nice if by draft night everyone knows the Suns want to trade Ayton to Charlotte, and Ayton is on board with it. Draft picks could factor in to the Ayton trade as well, even if it's not completed until early July.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
This is true, but the decisions will be made in advance. By the draft, people will know where Ayton wants to sign on a 4-year max, where Lavine wants to go (at least his shortlist), and where Rudy will be traded (if he's traded). If there is uncertainty surrounding the Ayton situation, it will be due to the specifics of the sign-and-trade with Phoenix. And if things are really unsettled--for instance, if there is a chance that PHX matches the Ayton offer sheet, it might even play in the Jazz's favor and make a team commit to Rudy sooner.

If you're the Spurs, and you have the chance to put Lavine and Gobert next to Dejounte Murray, you probably don't wait on account of what happens with Ayton.
If you're the Hawks and you can do the same with Trae Young, you probably make that your gameplan before the draft.

To your point though, it would be nice if by draft night everyone knows the Suns want to trade Ayton to Charlotte, and Ayton is on board with it. Draft picks could factor in to the Ayton trade as well, even if it's not completed until early July.
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While I know FA biz gets done early it does not get done before the draft. They will have an idea of what the options are but the draft is wildly unpredictable and will factor into team decisions. Say Atlanta or Charlotte land Mark Williams or Jalen Duren... they may not have value to Phoenix and they may not want to bid on a center. Or say you think you are signing Favs to a full MLE deal it would be asinine to... oh wait. nevermind.
 
I do think we could play on teams speculating on free agency... the Spurs may think they have a shot at Lavine... but if they get Rudy they may think they become the front runners... and you get a PG Kawhi situation that pumps up the value going back to the team selling the star.

Poeltl, Vassell, #9 and Richardson or McBuckets is a pretty good value for us and leaves them with enough space I believe.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I do think we could play on teams speculating on free agency... the Spurs may think they have a shot at Lavine... but if they get Rudy they may think they become the front runners... and you get a PG Kawhi situation that pumps up the value going back to the team selling the star.

Poeltl, Vassell, #9 and Richardson or McBuckets is a pretty good value for us and leaves them with enough space I believe.
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Spurs do need to think about sell high on some of their young players but would they do it is the question. They may feel confident that giving Johnson/Vassell big contracts won't backfire and they may be able to outperform their contracts. But they moved on from White rather quickly so who knows
 
jom2003 said:
Spurs do need to think about sell high on some of their young players but would they do it is the question. They may feel confident that giving Johnson/Vassell big contracts won't backfire and they may be able to outperform their contracts. But they moved on from White rather quickly so who knows
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Yeah I mean if they have Murray, Lavine, Johnson, Rudy... it becomes pretty interesting. Primo may be something someday. They may be sick of drafting around #10ish every year so pushing some chips in while they can (their cap won't be as flexible next year with Johnson and Jakob getting extensions).

Its either something like that or make Pop leave so you can actually rebuild... hanging out in the late lotto is no fun.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yeah I mean if they have Murray, Lavine, Johnson, Rudy... it becomes pretty interesting. Wieskamp may be something someday. They may be sick of drafting around #10ish every year so pushing some chips in while they can (their cap won't be as flexible next year with Johnson and Jakob getting extensions).

Its either something like that or make Pop leave so you can actually rebuild... hanging out in the late lotto is no fun.
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Possible NBA Champions

Also fixed it for the actual young 2-guard with potential.
 
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Handlogten's Heros said:
I do think we could play on teams speculating on free agency... the Spurs may think they have a shot at Lavine... but if they get Rudy they may think they become the front runners... and you get a PG Kawhi situation that pumps up the value going back to the team selling the star.

Poeltl, Vassell, #9 and Richardson or McBuckets is a pretty good value for us and leaves them with enough space I believe.
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Now send the Spurs another player and ask for #20 as well.
 
jom2003 said:
Spurs do need to think about sell high on some of their young players but would they do it is the question. They may feel confident that giving Johnson/Vassell big contracts won't backfire and they may be able to outperform their contracts. But they moved on from White rather quickly so who knows
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IMO, that consideration goes out the window if you have the chance to put Murray, Lavine and Gobert together for the next 4 years. That's three All Stars. Plus they have the young kid Primo coming up.
 
Among the Spurs, Hawks and Hornets, one of them will probably get Ayton, while the other two will need to bid for Gobert....unless Myles Turner somehow thwarts our plans.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Among the Spurs, Hawks and Hornets, one of them will probably get Ayton, while the other two will need to bid for Gobert....unless Myles Turner somehow thwarts our plans.
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nah, they'd probably go after Mitchell Robinson and Capela first unless we actively made Rudy available to them.
 
If the Jazz trade Rudy Gobert are they going to want to replace him with another big that dominates strictly in the paint or are the Jazz trying to open up the middle more if Gobert is the intended to be traded? Is it something we could do with our mid level allowing us to trade him strictly for wing players? Just a thought.


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Cptgrnlngs22 said:
If the Jazz trade Rudy Gobert are they going to want to replace him with another big that dominates strictly in the paint or are the Jazz trying to open up the middle more if Gobert is the intended to be traded? Is it something we could do with our mid level allowing us to trade him strictly for wing players? Just a thought.


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Bro, we've got Udoka. He's a first-round pick, and we've spent two years developing him already!
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
IMO, that consideration goes out the window if you have the chance to put Murray, Lavine and Gobert together for the next 4 years. That's three All Stars. Plus they have the young kid Primo coming up.
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The Spurs don't seem like an exciting trade partner. I love the Primo kid, but he's still pretty raw. Vassell has potential too. I guess Lonnie Walker is a flop?
 
LoPo said:
Wow. San Antonio could sign Ayton to a big contract and not even worry about Phoenix matching.

That means Rudy is still in play for Charlotte and Atlanta to compete over.
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Detroit, Indiana, and SA could all sign him outright and would have interest. Most likely scenario imo is that Suns leverage the ability to match and arrange a sign and trade to Detroit for Grant, or Indiana for Turner and something else, or SA for Poeltl and Vassell or one of their other young players.

Suns are cheaping out a bit here... I know Ayton isn't perfect but they are about to ruin their run by being cheap... you hate to see it.
 
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