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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

cowhide said:
Phoenix Suns Receive: Kevin Durant, 2028 First-Round Pick Swap With Jazz (Favoring Jazz), 2023 Second-Round Pic

k (ATL)

Brooklyn Nets Receive: Donovan Mitchell, John Collins, Mikal Bridges, Deandre Hunter, Onyeka Okongwu, 2025 First-Round Pick (PHO), 2027 First-Round Pick (PHO), 2029 First-Round Pick (PHO)

Utah Jazz Receive: Deandre Ayton, Cam Johnson, Day'Ron Sharpe, 2023 First-Round Pick (PHO), 2028 First-Round Pick Swap With Suns (Favoring Jazz), 2029 First-Round Pick (ATL)

Atlanta Hawks Receive: Ben Simmons, 2024 Second-Round Pick (PHO), 2025 Second-Round Pick (UTA)

This is a purposed 4 team trade involving DM. It has to be started by a Brooklyn fan. Jazz are getting screwed in this scenario. Look at the haul Brooklyn is getting. Jazz need to get either Bridges or Hunter and a couple more picks.
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cowhide said:
Phoenix Suns Receive: Kevin Durant, 2028 First-Round Pick Swap With Jazz (Favoring Jazz), 2023 Second-Round Pic

k (ATL)

Brooklyn Nets Receive: Donovan Mitchell, John Collins, Mikal Bridges, Deandre Hunter, Onyeka Okongwu, 2025 First-Round Pick (PHO), 2027 First-Round Pick (PHO), 2029 First-Round Pick (PHO)

Utah Jazz Receive: Deandre Ayton, Cam Johnson, Day'Ron Sharpe, 2023 First-Round Pick (PHO), 2028 First-Round Pick Swap With Suns (Favoring Jazz), 2029 First-Round Pick (ATL)

Atlanta Hawks Receive: Ben Simmons, 2024 Second-Round Pick (PHO), 2025 Second-Round Pick (UTA)

This is a purposed 4 team trade involving DM. It has to be started by a Brooklyn fan. Jazz are getting screwed in this scenario. Look at the haul Brooklyn is getting. Jazz need to get either Bridges or Hunter and a couple more picks.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nb...sedgntp&cvid=50e8beeeb49f478b8617590adadda9b1
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No
 
cowhide said:
Phoenix Suns Receive: Kevin Durant, 2028 First-Round Pick Swap With Jazz (Favoring Jazz), 2023 Second-Round Pic

k (ATL)

Brooklyn Nets Receive: Donovan Mitchell, John Collins, Mikal Bridges, Deandre Hunter, Onyeka Okongwu, 2025 First-Round Pick (PHO), 2027 First-Round Pick (PHO), 2029 First-Round Pick (PHO)

Utah Jazz Receive: Deandre Ayton, Cam Johnson, Day'Ron Sharpe, 2023 First-Round Pick (PHO), 2028 First-Round Pick Swap With Suns (Favoring Jazz), 2029 First-Round Pick (ATL)

Atlanta Hawks Receive: Ben Simmons, 2024 Second-Round Pick (PHO), 2025 Second-Round Pick (UTA)

This is a purposed 4 team trade involving DM. It has to be started by a Brooklyn fan. Jazz are getting screwed in this scenario. Look at the haul Brooklyn is getting. Jazz need to get either Bridges or Hunter and a couple more picks.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nb...sedgntp&cvid=50e8beeeb49f478b8617590adadda9b1
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We can trade Mitchell to NY for a lot more without helping everyone else. No deal.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Does that outweigh the downside of him being exposed next year on a bad team or having a significant injury? Or what if what’s on offer later is worse now otherwise?
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well same risk applies to every trade.

what if it's the players that you got from the Donovan trade end up receiving significant injuries?

what if the picks we get from the Donovan trade all end up somewhere in the late 20s and flop? (Favs/Kanter/DedEX)

what if Donovan end up not getting exposed and up his games significantly?

there's just no guarantee that we win the Donovan trade by trading him now vs. a year later.
 
jom2003 said:
there's really no conflict between the two choices. we can rebuild while keeping Donovan on the team. we actually get better as a team by trading bogey/conley for more youth and athleticism so "win-now" and "rebuild" are essentially the same thing in this case. you can get younger AND better.
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But what I'm saying is I don't want to give away the assets we just got in the Gobert trade to try and build around Donovan and then have to trade him in a year anyway. Like, I wouldn't want to give up two first round picks for Ayton and another first for John Collins or somebody to try and build a win now team around Donovan.
 
cowhide said:
Phoenix Suns Receive: Kevin Durant, 2028 First-Round Pick Swap With Jazz (Favoring Jazz), 2023 Second-Round Pic

k (ATL)

Brooklyn Nets Receive: Donovan Mitchell, John Collins, Mikal Bridges, Deandre Hunter, Onyeka Okongwu, 2025 First-Round Pick (PHO), 2027 First-Round Pick (PHO), 2029 First-Round Pick (PHO)

Utah Jazz Receive: Deandre Ayton, Cam Johnson, Day'Ron Sharpe, 2023 First-Round Pick (PHO), 2028 First-Round Pick Swap With Suns (Favoring Jazz), 2029 First-Round Pick (ATL)

Atlanta Hawks Receive: Ben Simmons, 2024 Second-Round Pick (PHO), 2025 Second-Round Pick (UTA)

This is a purposed 4 team trade involving DM. It has to be started by a Brooklyn fan. Jazz are getting screwed in this scenario. Look at the haul Brooklyn is getting. Jazz need to get either Bridges or Hunter and a couple more picks.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nb...sedgntp&cvid=50e8beeeb49f478b8617590adadda9b1
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Way too good for Brooklyn. Atlanta gets ****ed and the jazz aren't very happy.
No ****ing way
 
Jingled said:
But what I'm saying is I don't want to give away the assets we just got in the Gobert trade to try and build around Donovan and then have to trade him in a year anyway. Like, I wouldn't want to give up two first round picks for Ayton and another first for John Collins or somebody to try and build a win now team around Donovan.
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What about 1 first round pick and bogey (losing bogey helps the rebuild) for ayton?
 
jom2003 said:
well same risk applies to every trade.

what if it's the players that you got from the Donovan trade end up receiving significant injuries?

what if the picks we get from the Donovan trade all end up somewhere in the late 20s and flop? (Favs/Kanter/DedEX)

what if Donovan end up not getting exposed and up his games significantly?

there's just no guarantee that we win the Donovan trade by trading him now vs. a year later.
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Who said anything about guarantees? Get that language out of your head because that’s not what we’re talking about.

The deck is definitely more stacked that his value drops than that it appreciates:
-he will have less time under contract
-there is a strong possibility Gobert was the floor that made the Jazz a winner. Advanced metrics scream that this is the case and has for more than half a decade
-he will be older
-there is no corresponding upside possibility that counteracts the risk of injury
 
NUMBERICA said:
Who said anything about guarantees? Get that language out of your head because that’s not what we’re talking about.

The deck is definitely more stacked that his value drops than that it appreciates:
-he will have less time under contract
-there is a strong possibility Gobert was the floor that made the Jazz a winner. Advanced metrics scream that this is the case and has for more than half a decade
-he will be older
-there is no corresponding upside possibility that counteracts the risk of injury
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We have guys literally guaranteeing 3rd and 4th ranked prospects pre-NCAA season are better than Mitchell in 2 years lol.
 
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