I agree, he hasn't been close.
Mitchell is about on the midpoint of a line connecting Ellis and Curry.
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Darkwing Duck
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I can post the numbers comparing Curry to Mitchell again, but they were ignored with the argument of do the research and look at the numbers.
LoPo
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Donovan Mitchell averaged 23.9 points, 4.5 assists and 4.2 rebounds in 345 games in his first 5 seasons.
Donovan Mitchell averaged 28.3 points, 4.9 rebounds and 4.7 assists in 39 games in the playoffs in his first 5 playoffs.
Stephen Curry averaged 20.3 points, 6.7 assists and 4.1 rebounds in 336 games in his first 5 seasons.
Stephen Curry averaged 23.3 points, 8.2 assists and 3.7 rebounds in 19 games in the playoffs in his first 2 playoffs (he didn't make the playoffs his first 3 seasons).
Darkwing Duck
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Counting stats is your argument?
In 1985 Mike Mitchell and Kareem Abdul Jabbar averaged 22 points per game. Five year stretches are similarly arbitrary.
Advanced numbers show the two are no where near each other in how they achieved those numbers.
In 1985 Mike Mitchell and Kareem Abdul Jabbar averaged 22 points per game. Five year stretches are similarly arbitrary.
Advanced numbers show the two are no where near each other in how they achieved those numbers.
LoPo
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One season comparison? Cute.....
Please tell me these vast difference numbers.
Oh, and be sure to take into account that Curry got to play with Monta Ellis who averaged 24ppg when he played with Curry. And Curry got to play with Klay Thompson for 3 of his first five years. And Draymond Green. And Andre Iguodala.
Through their first 5 seasons, Curry and Donovan are very comparable.
Another pathetic flailing.
EFG% for 1st 5 years:
Curry: 55.3%
Donovan: 51.2%
Curry's EFG% ever since his first 5 years is an absolutely bonkers 59.7%. The primary reason? He started taking more threes. A lot more threes.
Curry's 3PA per 36 minutes for his first 5 years: 4.7, 4.9, 6.0, 7.2, 7.8
Since then? 8.9, 11.8, 10.8, 11.1, 12.5, 12.7, 13.4, 12.2.
Does Mitchell have a similar jump in him? Sadly, probably not, because he's already been averaging 10.0 3 attempts per game the last two seasons, in which his EFG% jumped from a 50.4% average his 1st 3 years to 52.7% (His first three years he averaged 7.3 3 attempts per game). Curry had that potential to make a massive leap in EFG% because he was one of the best 3 pt shooters of all time not taking enough 3's in his 1st 5 years (a career 42.8% 3 pt shooter compared to Mitchell's 36.1%). Mitchell has already been taking a ton of 3's.
Curry: 55.3%
Donovan: 51.2%
Curry's EFG% ever since his first 5 years is an absolutely bonkers 59.7%. The primary reason? He started taking more threes. A lot more threes.
Curry's 3PA per 36 minutes for his first 5 years: 4.7, 4.9, 6.0, 7.2, 7.8
Since then? 8.9, 11.8, 10.8, 11.1, 12.5, 12.7, 13.4, 12.2.
Does Mitchell have a similar jump in him? Sadly, probably not, because he's already been averaging 10.0 3 attempts per game the last two seasons, in which his EFG% jumped from a 50.4% average his 1st 3 years to 52.7% (His first three years he averaged 7.3 3 attempts per game). Curry had that potential to make a massive leap in EFG% because he was one of the best 3 pt shooters of all time not taking enough 3's in his 1st 5 years (a career 42.8% 3 pt shooter compared to Mitchell's 36.1%). Mitchell has already been taking a ton of 3's.
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seattlejazzfan
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Curry was a lot more efficient. despite dealing with injuries in his first five years, he was at about 60% TS while Donovan was at about 55% over that time. that is the difference between average and excellent - it's a huge difference. and again, Curry did that despite nagging ankle issues he couldn't shake - it was obvious that if he could ever maintain his health (i didn't think he would, tbh) he would explode and sure enough he did. you simply can't compare the two.
seattlejazzfan
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curry had that jump in him because he was always injured/playing injured his first 5 seasons. donovan has been healthy - he doesn't have that jump in him. also, i don't know where you're getting a 52.6 eFG% for steph his first five seasons?
eFG% first five years:
53.5%
55.1%
58.3%
54.9%
56.6%
TS% is a better stat anyway, but yeah, 52.6% eFG for Steph isn't right.
Darkwing Duck
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I posted them already. EFG+ and TS+ are pretty stark. Mitchell's EFG and TS were slightly below average his first five years. Curry's is off the chart his first 5 years.
Edited. I typed it in wrong - it was 55.3%.
Darkwing Duck
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Also, on a five year stretch, Mike Mitchell averaged 22.1 points per game. Same stretch, Abdul-Jabbar averaged 23.1 points per game.
Similar players.
Similar players.