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I just don't think this playoff is the one to point to as the death of the big man. GS has had a ton of luck to get to the finals. They are very good but get a hobbled Denver team... Ja leaves in the middle of their series... Dallas stopped making shots. I think Boston may beat them if they can be somewhat smart.

Boston has Horford, Robert Williams, and also Theis... then has a stable of wings that includes Grant Williams who can play the 5 like a PJ Tucker. They have a diverse set of bigs and its part of the reason they have survived a friggin gauntlet.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I just don't think this playoff is the one to point to as the death of the big man. GS has had a ton of luck to get to the finals. They are very good but get a hobbled Denver team... Ja leaves in the middle of their series... Dallas stopped making shots. I think Boston may beat them if they can be somewhat smart.

Boston has Horford, Robert Williams, and also Theis... then has a stable of wings that includes Grant Williams who can play the 5 like a PJ Tucker. They have a diverse set of bigs and its part of the reason they have survived a friggin gauntlet.
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Everyone here knows this, they just want to deflect as much blame as possible from Donovan.
 
The little bit of small ball 5 that Collins played this year went... uhhhhh not well. His two man splits are best when he is paired with Clint Capela. He's really a straight 4.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I just don't think this playoff is the one to point to as the death of the big man. GS has had a ton of luck to get to the finals. They are very good but get a hobbled Denver team... Ja leaves in the middle of their series... Dallas stopped making shots. I think Boston may beat them if they can be somewhat smart.

Boston has Horford, Robert Williams, and also Theis... then has a stable of wings that includes Grant Williams who can play the 5 like a PJ Tucker. They have a diverse set of bigs and its part of the reason they have survived a friggin gauntlet.
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I have never said big men aren't important. They are.

It's just that you can platoon the position with versatility as well or better than using $40 million on one kind of center.

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LoPo said:
I have never said big men aren't important. They are.

It's just that you can platoon the position with versatility as well or better than using $40 million on one kind of center.

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On the highest end outcomes it looks good... but there are a lot of factors. Like Looney and Green can be better in GS or maybe as good... but its partly because Green's deficiencies are covered with Steph's gravity.

Horford/Williams etc. is unique to find.

A lot of times it looks like what the Hornets have done or what NY gets.

If you trade Rudy you almost NEED to get a Capela type as well... I wouldn't spin him off to a third team. He can give you 25-30 minutes in almost any matchup and becomes necessary in some matchups. You can't roll with Bismack Biyombo (or Whiteside or Udoka or any other minimum dude) for 20 minutes and expect to be a high level playoff team.

Its also really hard to find the versatile big man to pair with your more traditional big.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
On the highest end outcomes it looks good... but there are a lot of factors. Like Looney and Green can be better in GS or maybe as good... but its partly because Green's deficiencies are covered with Steph's gravity.

Horford/Williams etc. is unique to find.

A lot of times it looks like what the Hornets have done or what NY gets.

If you trade Rudy you almost NEED to get a Capela type as well... I wouldn't spin him off to a third team. He can give you 25-30 minutes in almost any matchup and becomes necessary in some matchups. You can't roll with Bismack Biyombo (or Whiteside or Udoka or any other minimum dude) for 20 minutes and expect to be a high level playoff team.

Its also really hard to find the versatile big man to pair with your more traditional big.
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What do you feel about:

Rudy for OG and Trent Jr

then

Bojan for Capela

Don
Trent
OG
Royce
Capela

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LoPo said:
What do you feel about:

Rudy for OG and Trent Jr

then

Bojan for Capela

Don
Trent
OG
Royce
Capela

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It's fine... If that's how we pivot I'm cool with not tanking... though eventually we get there. I don't think that group makes it any farther than we have... would need to find some potential upside swings with trading Mike or JC. That group is still a homerun away but might have more versatility depending on how the other deck chairs are re-arranged.

How far that group goes depends on how much Donovan's defense and playmaking improves... which is similar to where we are now.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I don’t think you remember the last few years of playoffs at all Mitchell has carried us offensively and when it matters.
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It’s not popular to say right now, but people really do have short memories. It’s never as good or as bad as people make it seem, people will always overreact. I think most people are too low on Mitchell and Gobert. We are underestimating just how good they are because we just saw the worst possible outcome. I think both played like complete **** this playoffs and hold a ton of responsibility for the failures on and off the court. But that doesn’t mean they’re incapable of doing better. If you really believe that, you just also believe that the Jazz did a good job of building around them and that’s something I can’t stand by.

There’s so much wrong with this team. It’s always been stupid to blame Gobert for the defense and now we’re blaming Mitchell for the offense.
 
Recently, former team president Danny Ainge revealed the key move made by his successor Brad Stevens that he believes paved the way for the Celtics’ return to the NBA Finals.

“I think that, by moving Kemba [Walker],” Ainge told NBA insider Steve Bulpett. “It allowed Marcus (Smart), Jaylen (Brown) and Jayson (Tatum) and Robert Williams to really thrive in positional size, with Horford taking up a big responsibility in the front line for Robert and moving Jaylen, Jayson and Marcus to their positions where they can have size advantages.

“It’s just a better fit. I think that is really clear.”
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LoPo said:
What do you feel about:

Rudy for OG and Trent Jr

then

Bojan for Capela

Don
Trent
OG
Royce
Capela

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I prefer to keep both, but if Gobert must be traded I like Trent/OG as players. They're at the right age range where it's worth it to wait and see what you have and gather information before you make a decision on Don. Instead of going for Capela, I'd go for someone earlier in their career. He's only going to be 28, but he looked like he was 35 last year. Myles Turner has been in the rumors for awhile, I like him as a target. If they could turn Bogey into Turner and have him sign an extension that would be incredible. Other options....possibly Mitchell Robinson in a S&T....I like throwing the full MLE at Nurkic or even Hartenstein as well. It's not unreasonable that these types of guys have a good productive year at their ages. They don't look completely fried like Capela.

Whatever direction the Jazz go, they need to turn Conley and Bogey into younger assets. Turn Bogey into one of the C's somehow, then Conley for Lavert. You have a decent-ish team with some upside. If it doesn't work you can still do the nuclear option and tank with more tradeable assets. The Jazz can't let Conley and Bogey burn out in Jazz uniforms.
 
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