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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

I often-times wonder if running an organization more democratically (with people that know anything) is a better way to approach decision-making. It is hard for me to believe that the Bogey or THT things shake out the same way because those only make much sense through the lens of one guy subjectively overvaluing the return.

Then again, maybe sending the Lakers a player that is precisely what they need and relieving them of THT's contract was a fruit basket more than a down-payment. IDK, the end result makes no ****ing sense to me.
I think everything will have the appearance of having been done "democratically." We have our own little thing here in Utah where we've been fairly insulated and had very little turnover. When there had been turnover, it was usually planned well in advance (sans Sloan). We've kept ourselves more aloof from the changing tides throughout the league and didn't feel a need or pressure to do things anyone else's way. This afforded guys like DL to be the "smartest guy in the room." When you're lower on the rungs of a franchise like the Jazz, you certainly may be doing some good resume building, but you're not the sexy starlet that everyone is talking about. You need to go along to get along. So DL did things his particular way, the most obvious example being the 2020 draft, where all we got was puff about how high the analytics favored his choices and it was only after a changing of the guard did people come out with the criticisms, almost in a gaslighting fashion.

Fast forward to now where you're under new ownership, everything in the franchise is changing, long-time guys behind the scenes are being jettisoned, and now you bring in one of those "big names" that's probably one of the top 3 names of executives in terms of "know-ability," to borrow a Bolerism. This is the guy who's been a part of championship teams, built championship teams, and has been in the league at every level. As humans, we always want to have some level of belief in a higher power -- someone who can see the end from the beginning. If something that a high-power individual does doesn't make any sense, it's because they're operating on a much higher intellectual plane than the rest of us and can see things that we couldn't even comprehend. If the emperor appears naked but insists he's clothed, the problem must be with us, because people arising to the level of emperor don't get there by exposing themselves. So, if it doesn't make a lot of sense to send Beverley for THT, well... you can trust that THE GUY WHO BUILDS CHAMPIONSHIP ROSTER!!!! knows what he's doing and sees something you can't. If you don't like getting Olynyk for Bojan... well, lol, then there just wasn't a market for Bojan and if we didn't make the trade then Thanos would have gotten the infinity stone or something. So the guys in the front office will try to look at the positive, maybe provide some reassuring statements that don't mean anything, like, "oh he's athletic," or "oh, he's young," or something stupid. It's like when my companion in the MTC showed me a picture of his girlfriend and asked me "don't you think she's so cute?" to which I responded, "oh, she looks like someone I know!"

I know there's some level of independent thought, but a big part of keeping the job and getting yourself to new heights is to periodically tickle his *******. When you're in the position of having to believe in your work, the decisions that appear out of your control can be temporarily rationalized. When your situation changes, you can pretend you don't have much ownership of someone else's sins.
 
I often-times wonder if running an organization more democratically (with people that know anything) is a better way to approach decision-making. It is hard for me to believe that the Bogey or THT things shake out the same way because those only make much sense through the lens of one guy subjectively overvaluing the return.

Then again, maybe sending the Lakers a player that is precisely what they need and relieving them of THT's contract was a fruit basket more than a down-payment. IDK, the end result makes no ****ing sense to me.

Truth is, these decisions are probably run more democratically then people make it out to be. It's just easier to put the blame/praise on a single person. Even if one person has the ultimate say, that single opinion has been influenced by heavily influenced by others anyways.
 
Truth is, these decisions are probably run more democratically then people make it out to be. It's just easier to put the blame/praise on a single person. Even if one person has the ultimate say, that single opinion has been influenced by heavily influenced by others anyways.

I just find it hard to believe that multiple people signed off on the THT and Olynyk trades.
 
I find it much harder to believe that one person is making these decisions and executing them against of wishes of the rest of the group.

Unless everyone was in the understanding that the Bogey trade was strictly for saving money and were fine with it there isn’t any other rationalization for that trade. I’ve never seen an entire board in agreement on one trade before (except for Cy).
 
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You can’t tell me JZ couldn’t have found a better deal for Bogey than ****ing Kelly Olynyk alone.
 
Unless everyone was in understanding that the Bogey trade was strictly for saving money and were fine with it there isn’t any other rationalization for that trade. I’ve never seen an entire board in agreement on one trade before (except for Cy).

Nobody here is going to care about Ryan Smith saying cash, so no surprises there.

Also, hot take, but Olynyk might just be a better player than Bogey going forward. The Jazz certainly got a boost there in their statistical projections. I just don't think it make sense to get a good player and not go for a future facing asset.
 
Nobody here is going to care about Ryan Smith saying cash, so no surprises there.

Also, hot take, but Olynyk might just be a better player than Bogey going forward. The Jazz certainly got a boost there in their statistical projections. I just don't think it make sense to get a good player and not go for a future facing asset.

Why should anyone here care about him saving cash when he did so at the expense of the teams future. It’s obviously not the end of the world or that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things but they definitely passed on a better deal to save cash.
 
Unless everyone was in the understanding that the Bogey trade was strictly for saving money and were fine with it there isn’t any other rationalization for that trade. I’ve never seen an entire board in agreement on one trade before (except for Cy).
Who are you talking for? If the Jazz wanted a purely money saving move they could have gotten someone else on an expiring cheaper deal than Bogey. They got KO because they liked KO and it saved them money.
 
Who are you talking for? If the Jazz wanted a purely money saving move they could have gotten someone else on an expiring cheaper deal than Bogey. They got KO because they liked KO and it saved them money.

That’s the problem if we wanted to save money we should have saved even more on a different deal. We can’t even do a money saving deal correctly.
 
The Jazz lied about all of the people that they traded. I'm sitting here just kind of laughing at the idea that they wouldn't do the same thing with Clarkson, and that people here on this forum would take them at their word.

If the right deal comes along, Clarkson is still as likely to be traded as anyone on the roster.
 
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