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Handlogten's Heros said:
I don't think that is the thing to be afraid of... I think the situation where he plays "meh" as a starter but he thinks he was awesome is the issue. We hear guys all the time declare they are a starter in the league or an all-star in the league, etc. etc. The stuff matters and there may be a (potentially big) difference between what the coaching staff and FO think he is providing and what he thinks he is providing.

Like why is Rudy Gay playing right now? It's because he is owed 6M+ this year and next and will bitch to high heaven if he isn't in the rotation. May be in a situation where Collin is unhappy with the bench role and on a deal that isn't valued around the league and the situation hurts the team for a while.
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Rudy Gay is playing mainly because Olynyk is hurt and Fonteccio is hot trash. Gay is the least bad option until Olynyk comes back.
 
mdalby said:
I can't believe the Lakers are going to sacrifice this season with Lebron. Maybe behind the scenes, Lebron is giving more pressure to get more help


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This is just depressing. He refuses to sign the extension in Cleveland so they don't make any trades to boost the team around him, and this time he signs the extension and they still won't make moves around him. We still have two weeks, but I will genuinely be sad if Lakers don't make any more moves. LeBron has hit Brady status where I have given up on cheering against him and now want to see how much more he can do, even if its for the Lakers.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I don't think that is the thing to be afraid of... I think the situation where he plays "meh" as a starter but he thinks he was awesome is the issue. We hear guys all the time declare they are a starter in the league or an all-star in the league, etc. etc. The stuff matters and there may be a (potentially big) difference between what the coaching staff and FO think he is providing and what he thinks he is providing.

Like why is Rudy Gay playing right now? It's because he is owed 6M+ this year and next and will bitch to high heaven if he isn't in the rotation. May be in a situation where Collin is unhappy with the bench role and on a deal that isn't valued around the league and the situation hurts the team for a while.
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My concern is so low because he's already done this transition from meh starter to 6th man and because there's only 32 games left. If we're doing the Conley deals we're talking about, I'm not even sure I have Sexton as a starter anyways. We could get no player back from Conley and you still don't have to start Sexton if you're so worried about his head getting too big.

For me, starting Sexton is like 99% positive and 1% concern. I want to give him that chance. I don't think we should really limit any young players opportunity out of concern that the opportunity overly inflates their ego. You could just as easily say he becomes unhappy without the starting opportunity as a 6th man who believes he's more than that. If Sexton turns out to be that dude whose ego is very overinflated, chances are he would have felt that way whether or not he's the starter for the rest of the season.
 
framer said:
Rudy Gay is playing mainly because Olynyk is hurt and Fonteccio is hot trash. Gay is the least bad option until Olynyk comes back.
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I listened to a pod with Sarah Todd on it last night. She's not my fav but she laid out the situation perfectly... he's playing to make Rudy Gay happy and to keep the peace. His comments from last year about "not doing his job" and periodic temper tantrums all support this case. The fact that Hardy has even started throwing him some vintage Rudy Gay post ups is hilarious. Hardy is managing this situation until the find an out.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
And if he gets upset about the demotion how strong is his trade value? Other teams would likely share our view.

There is nothing certain and both routes could provide stumbling blocks. I just think its a valid consideration. Still might have more upside than downside.
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He was always a starter in Cleveland and accepted a demotion here. I don't think opinions about Sexton are going to change drastically around the league, he's the same player here that he was in Cleveland.
 
YoungJefe said:
He was always a starter in Cleveland and accepted a demotion here. I don't think opinions about Sexton are going to change drastically around the league, he's the same player here that he was in Cleveland.
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Its different when you move teams.
 
KqWIN said:
My concern is so low because he's already done this transition from meh starter to 6th man and because there's only 32 games left. If we're doing the Conley deals we're talking about, I'm not even sure I have Sexton as a starter anyways. We could get no player back from Conley and you still don't have to start Sexton if you're so worried about his head getting too big.

For me, starting Sexton is like 99% positive and 1% concern. I want to give him that chance. I don't think we should really limit any young players opportunity out of concern that the opportunity overly inflates their ego. You could just as easily say he becomes unhappy without the starting opportunity as a 6th man who believes he's more than that. If Sexton turns out to be that dude whose ego is very overinflated, chances are he would have felt that way whether or not he's the starter for the rest of the season.
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I think its likely to be fine one way or another... I just wouldn't completely dismiss it. I also think there are a couple guys you could draft that would be a good long term fit with Sexton as a starter. Black, Wallace, Amen, and maybe even Colby Jones.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We tend to think about what our players can do for the team. We want to maximize the team... but for Collin if he proves he is a starter quality guy and then you move him to the bench how happy is he going to be long term. We may not care but he will... starting or coming off the bench changes how a player is viewed and valued. Its hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
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If he proves to be a starting quality guy but we dont have a starting spot for him on the team then it would seem like he might be a great trade piece. Another win scenario.
 
KqWIN said:
I just don't believe you make decisions out of fear that a player might improve himself and view himself as that improved player. On a scale of 1-10, the fear of negative impacts coming from Collin Sexton starting is about a 1.2. If you are in so much fear of Sexton not starting, you can just not start him.
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This.
 
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