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Traditional PG not needed in Quin's offense

Jazz had plenty of problems at the end of game handling Portland's (a lousy defensive team) pressure without a PG on the court. If it were a closer game it could have been a different outcome.

And these events don't occur in a vacuum - other teams see this and will adjust accordingly.
 
Jazz had plenty of problems at the end of game handling Portland's (a lousy defensive team) pressure without a PG on the court. If it were a closer game it could have been a different outcome.

And these events don't occur in a vacuum - other teams see this and will adjust accordingly.

Yes, they had some problems. I think the Jazz can adjust to that though, or I should say Donovan. The Blazers were hacking away pretty strongly as well and not getting called. Ricky certainly would've helped. But the Jazz defense also broke down in the 4th for that run they made.
 
Neg.

Neg it all.
Neg X 2 for NOT giving a reason to rebut the point that ball dominant PG is detrimental to the Jazz offense per Quin. If he's James Harden, then that's different. But Ricky is not James Harden. That's why I prefer Ingles as the set up man, because he is better at finding the open man and only shoots in the paint when he has a very high percentage of making the shot.
 
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Neg X 2 for NOT giving a reason to rebut the point that ball dominant PG is detrimental to the Jazz offense per Quin. If he's James Harden, then that's different. But Ricky is not James Harden. That's why I prefer Ingles as the set up man, because he is better at finding the open man and only shoots in the paint when he has a very high percentage of making the shot.

The fact you think a ball dominant PG is a "traditional PG" is all the reason I need not to engage in your drivel.
 
Ban Eenie-Meenie from creating threads.

So far, no one has created a substantive argument against me. The point I was making was not a direct criticism of Ricky -- but a basic point that he should moderate his tendency to dominate the ball which stagnates the offense. There have been PGs who could do this effectively like Stockton and especially Steve Nash but both were excellent shooters, especially Nash who is one of the NBA's all-time best shooters. Today you have Harden. Even Curry who is probably the greatest shooter in NBA history does not dominate the ball that much.
 
So far, no one has created a substantive argument against me. The point I was making was not a direct criticism of Ricky -- but a basic point that he should moderate his tendency to dominate the ball which stagnates the offense. There have been PGs who could do this effectively like Stockton and especially Steve Nash but both were excellent shooters, especially Nash who is one of the NBA's all-time best shooters. Today you have Harden. Even Curry who is probably the greatest shooter in NBA history does not dominate the ball that much.

We dont argue with stupid.
 
I'm not talking about those games -- am I? No, this relates to last night and what happened. The other games have absolutely nothing to do with the point that I'm making. As I have said many times before -- all Ricky needs to do is set up the offense, find the open man, and play good defense. Shooting the ball is not necessary. But of course if he has a good opportunity, he has to take it. At the same time, he shouldn't be controlling the ball and taking 5 or 6 shots in a row and missing every one.

Which is a major hole in your argument. You are attempting to cherry pick a single game that on the surface appears to support your argument. But when you dig a little deeper you see how flawed it is. Those games absolutely matter despite your insistence on excluding them.

Literally everyone else sees this. Why can't you? Or is the problem that you do see it but refuse to accept it?
 
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