Traditional PG not needed in Quin's offense

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  1. Eenie-Meenie

    Eenie-Meenie Well-Known Member

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    So far, no one has created a substantive argument against me. The point I was making was not a direct criticism of Ricky -- but a basic point that he should moderate his tendency to dominate the ball which stagnates the offense. There have been PGs who could do this effectively like Stockton and especially Steve Nash but both were excellent shooters, especially Nash who is one of the NBA's all-time best shooters. Today you have Harden. Even Curry who is probably the greatest shooter in NBA history does not dominate the ball that much.
     
  2. elan_prodigy

    elan_prodigy Well-Known Member

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    We dont argue with stupid.
     
  3. Eenie-Meenie

    Eenie-Meenie Well-Known Member

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    So far, no one has created a substantive argument against me. The point I was making was not a direct criticism of Ricky -- but a basic point that he should moderate his tendency to dominate the ball which stagnates the offense.
    Stupid is disagreeing with something without making an argument.
     
  4. Stoked

    Stoked Modstapo Staff Member 2018 Award Winner

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    Which is a major hole in your argument. You are attempting to cherry pick a single game that on the surface appears to support your argument. But when you dig a little deeper you see how flawed it is. Those games absolutely matter despite your insistence on excluding them.

    Literally everyone else sees this. Why can't you? Or is the problem that you do see it but refuse to accept it?
     
  5. cmw

    cmw Active Member

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    Isn't setting up the offense and finding the open man the definition of a point guards job?

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  6. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

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    OMG, seriously!! Yesterday's results were no different then the last 9 or so games. Ricky has finally figured out the offense. He's been more decisive with his decision making and moving the ball driving and getting to the foul line, and is showing incredible chemistry with his teammates, the young rook in particular, and on top of that he lays it on the line and plays hard and competes every ****ing night, and yet you have the ****ing adasity to say the jazz are better off without him? GTFO!!
     
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  7. jope

    jope Well-Known Member

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    Lol damn, some major over reaction from both sides in this thread.
     
  8. Bulletproof

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    @Eenie-Meenie

    This is the substantive argument against your premise. When Portland started pressing against the Jazz the game started looking really ugly and had the lead been closer to 10 with 5 min left I would have been worried. Rubio would have been much better at handling the press, probably so well they would have stopped trying it.
     
  9. sahlensguy

    sahlensguy Well-Known Member

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    No love for Neto last night? Our offense was a mess to start the game before he came in.
     
  10. Eenie-Meenie

    Eenie-Meenie Well-Known Member

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    I don't discount Ricky's effort or improved play. My point is that the offense works better when the ball moves and doesn't stagnate. Ok, I admit I'm still not in love with Ricky's game and I don't think we'd lose much if we had Neto playing the point instead of Ricky.

    Let me elaborate on what I'm not in love with -- it's that Ricky is only an average shooter and offensive player, but at times, and too much in my opinion, he begins to take an excessive number of shots. If he were a good offensive player, if he were James Harden, that might be different. You want your good offensive players to be taking the shots, not your Ricky Rubios. You don't want Ricky to lead the team in shots taken, which has happened on occasion because teams are letting him shoot. This is how teams are playing the Jazz. But it hasn't worked because he has been making them. How long do you expect this to continue? I still don't have confidence in his shot like I would if Jingling were taking the shot. So, that's it. I don't want him to dominate the ball and take the majority of shots, which he has done at times during the winning streak. And last night no one was doing this and you saw the results in the third quarter.
     
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  11. JustTheTip

    JustTheTip Well-Known Member

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    There are some things that are too stupid to argue against.

    This is one of them.
     
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  12. Ellipse

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    And nearly lost it in the 4th. The team can't perform at its highest level without Rubio. Without Rubio, the team can play "well enough" to scape out a win against very good competition, as long they play well and Gobert is healthy.
     
  13. Eenie-Meenie

    Eenie-Meenie Well-Known Member

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    This is not about bringing the ball up against the press -- this is something he can do. It's about him shooting too bleeping much and dribbling the ball too long.
     
  14. sahlensguy

    sahlensguy Well-Known Member

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    Of course the offense works better when the ball doesn't stagnate. That is Quin's offense afterall...move the ball for an open shot. And the ball doesn't stagnate with Rubio, that' crazy. He's always has pushed the ball and as he becomes ingratiated to his new team, he's making the right plays more and more. I like Neto, but Rubio is a special talent, not to mention his defense. The team is much more deadly with him at the point than a guy like Neto over the long haul.
     
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  15. Ellipse

    Ellipse Well-Known Member

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    There is no argument to be made when you start with a premise we all reject. End of discussion.
     
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  16. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    Shut up Trump
     
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  17. Eenie-Meenie

    Eenie-Meenie Well-Known Member

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    Yes, he pushes the ball in transition, but in the half-court offense he has a tendency to dribble too much which stagnates the offense and sometimes causes him to force a shot or a pass, leading often to a transition bucket on the other end. This is something I have noticed about him since early in the season and which has made me a critic rather than a fan of his. I would wager that if Ricky had to be a self-critic, he would say this is a weakness of his.
     
  18. Eenie-Meenie

    Eenie-Meenie Well-Known Member

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    To say such an ignorant thing as this is censorship. So we ban everything just because we disagree?
     
  19. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    This is coming from the guy who cried about getting neg repped and disliked?
     
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  20. Eenie-Meenie

    Eenie-Meenie Well-Known Member

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    How does this relate to that? I cried about getting negged by Archie for even saying boo. It's like this thread. No one will admit there is some truth to what I am saying not because of reason but emotion, negative feelings about the OP.
     

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