Transgender and sports

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As in every other post you've made on the subject, you prove once again that you don't know what you are talking about.

Gosh, Mr. Swim Coach, I feel so silly. I just used the data from http://www.meetresults.com/2022/ivies/results.shtml.

At 100 yards, the A standard (the maximum time needed to compete in the NCAA championships, as I understand it), is 47.18s. Thomas swam 47.63.

http://www.meetresults.com/2022/ivies/live/220216F017.htm

At 200, the A standard is 1:42.98, Thomas swam 1:43.12.

http://www.meetresults.com/2022/ivies/live/220216F011.htm

At 500, the A standard is 4:35.76, Thomas swam 4:37.32.

http://www.meetresults.com/2022/ivies/live/220216F003.htm

(Edit to add) Penn (Lia's team) was 4th in the relay.

Meanwhile, women from the big schools (Big 10, Pac 12, etc.), etc., are meeting these standards to move on the championships.

So, can you do better than an MSNBC article? Under what provisions does Thomas qualify, Mr. Swim Coach?

 

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Gosh, Mr. Swim Coach, I feel so silly. I just used the data from http://www.meetresults.com/2022/ivies/results.shtml. ... Under what provisions does Thomas qualify, Mr. Swim Coach?

Thomas qualified for the NCAA championships back in December at the Zippy Invitational. All Thomas did at the Ivy Championship is swim faster than any biological female has ever swam in the history of that meet or the history of that pool.

 

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Thomas qualified for the NCAA championships back in December at the Zippy Invitational.

Thanks. From what I can tell of the Zippy results, she qualified in 2 events (500M & 200M freestyle), and she's been swimming slower ever since. Will women's swimming ever recover from such a blow?

Lia's times in the Zippy (4:34.06 in the 500 free, 1:41.93 in the 200 free) are still slower than the best times of other swimmers competing this year, much less the record books.

All Thomas did at the Ivy Championship is swim faster than any biological female has ever swam in the history of that meet or the history of that pool.

So, she the metaphorical equivalent of the home run champ of the AA leagues? Oh the horrors!

Bigots will bigot.

 

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she's been swimming slower ever since.

Thomas has been swimming in slower pools ever since. The Ivy League has some ancient pools. Harvard's pool where the Ivy Championships were held, and where Thomas set all time records, is nearly a century old. The lanes are a full 3 feet shallower than they would be at a modern facility and that shows up in slower swim times. Thomas won't be that slow in a newer 3 meter deep pool with good gutters that weren't retrofitted.

 

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I think I've come to the conclusion that sports in schools is NOT about education, it is clearly about competition and finding the best of the best. Therefore sports shouldn't be in school at all. It should be private leagues that can set whatever admission standards that they see fit.

Boom. Problem solved.

I think sports in schools has had many many negative consequences for all but a very select few.

The fact that so many people in this thread honestly believed that in high school most males are reasonably equal in athletic ability is a ****ing joke. What they mean is that the filtered pool of jocks are all roughly equal, **** all the biological males who may have wanted to gain the benefits of team sports but who didn't make the team.

 

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I think I've come to the conclusion that sports in schools is NOT about education

This I agree with.

it is clearly about competition and finding the best of the best. Therefore sports shouldn't be in school at all.

...and this I couldn't disagree with more strongly. Sports are about building community and I think we need more of that, not less. The haters will call people “bigots” and other hateful names even if we abolish sports. I think it is a mistake to let those people push you to get rid of everything in life.



I’m bad at basketball but that doesn’t mean I can’t find community among other fans of basketball. I don’t have to be good at a sport to gain something from it.

As far as private leagues, they are everywhere. That is where nearly all college athletes come from. A lot of people get athletic scholarships based on skills developed in club sports in exchange for providing a service that builds community at the school. For many, that is one of the highlights of their lives. I don't believe abolishing sports at universities and high schools is a benefit to those schools or to broader society.

 

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...and this I couldn't disagree with more strongly. Sports are about building community and I think we need more of that, not less.

Yet, you take a position that excludes people from the community rather than includes them.

The haters will call people “bigots” and other hateful names even if we abolish sports.

When you take a position that runs counter to your stated purpose, for the sake of excluding a marginalized group, bigotry is the best explanation.

I think it is a mistake to let those people push you to get rid of everything in life.

No one is pushing to get rid of school sports.

 

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No one is pushing to get rid of school sports.

You must be having an off day because your reading comprehension is usually better than this.

Therefore sports shouldn't be in school at all.

 

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Thomas has been swimming in slower pools ever since.

Odd how that didn't seem to affect her teammates.

2021 Zippy Invite Finals 3 Women 500 Free - University of Akron Athletics

2021 Zippy Invite Finals 3 Women 500 Free

gozips.com

http://www.meetresults.com/2022/ivies/live/220216F003.htm

Swimmer - Zippy 500m time - Ivy Champ 500m time
Thomas, Lia - 4:34.06 - 4:37.32
Kalandadze, Anna Sofi - 4:48.99 - 4:47.54
Girotto, Amelia - 4:55.47 - 4:49.88
Giddings, Grace - 4:55:84 - 4:55.91

So, Mr. Swim Coach, why weren't Thomas's teammates affected by the slower pool? One might think you were making up anything you could to justify an irrational dislike.

 

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So, Mr. Swim Coach, why weren't Thomas's teammates affected by the slower pool?

I don’t know any of the swimmers, what was going on in their lives, or how their training was going but I do know what makes a pool slow, and Harvard’s pool is slow.

What Makes a Pool Fast?

Only swimmers know and understand the feeling of a fast pool. But what exactly are the factors that make a pool fast? Read on to find out.

www.swimmingworldmagazine.com

 

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I don’t know any of the swimmers, what was going on in their lives, or how their training was going but I do know what makes a pool slow, and Harvard’s pool is slow.

You don't know Thomas, what's going on in her life, nor how her training is going, but that hasn't stopped you from making confident predictions. Why is that?

 

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I think I've come to the conclusion that sports in schools is NOT about education, it is clearly about competition and finding the best of the best. Therefore sports shouldn't be in school at all. It should be private leagues that can set whatever admission standards that they see fit.

Boom. Problem solved.

I think sports in schools has had many many negative consequences for all but a very select few.

The fact that so many people in this thread honestly believed that in high school most males are reasonably equal in athletic ability is a ****ing joke. What they mean is that the filtered pool of jocks are all roughly equal, **** all the biological males who may have wanted to gain the benefits of team sports but who didn't make the team.

Unfortunately you nailed the prevailing culture in high school boy's sports. That is exactly the way it goes. I was a high school athlete and I could not stand the locker-room **** that went on, and the attitude that the jocks were better than everyone else. It may have helped that I was also on the chess team and in the first computer club at my high school, to broaden my views. I never was considered a "jock" but many took pride that they were. It is really a breeding ground for toxic masculinity. Too bad.