Transgender and sports

[Al-O-Meter]

she signed a letter saying Thomas should be allowed to compete, and then protested against her competing? Is that what you're saying?

I'm explaining why I don't feel the need to hate the girls who finished 2nd, 3rd, and 4th for being in a position for this photo to have been taken. In the words of One Brow, I am "comfortable" those three girls didn't feel compelled to have Lia stand with them for every photo. If those three swimmers wanted to gather for a photo then they should be allowed to do so.

As for 300 current and former swimmers, I would point out there are over 400,000 current members of USA Swimming. If you were to include 'current and former', that number balloons into the millions. With the aforementioned army of lawyers and culture warriors ready to threaten sponsors, it is telling that they could only muster 300 signatures.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm impressed that you're so willing to prove how wrong you were. So many people would pretend that there something wrong about a transwoman competing, simply to try and support their previous position, but you posted about Thomas placing 8th 9n the 100m, 5th in the 200m (showing that woman could and did compete), and being the slowest 500m freestyle winner since 2013, a time more reminiscent of the 1995 Rockets in terms of accomplishment than the 1996 Bulls. Well done!

I think you for bringing us good news on this topic, and for participating in the celebration.

I have no clue what you are blathering on about here or what point you are trying to make. Carry on.

 

[Archie Moses]

Lia Thomas should not have been able to compete because it's simple not fair. Half (or close to) her own swim team didn't think it was fair.

You can make trans people feel accepted and they can be, but there are a few lines that have to be drawn. This is one of them.

The opinions that matter are the swimmer's/athletes.

 

[Archie Moses]

The photo on that piece tells quite a story. The female swimmers don't want anything to do with Lia Thomas. BTW...the swimmer holding silver, the one Lia Thomas crushed by nearly 2 seconds, was the 2000 Olympic silver medalist in this event.

So many people bury their heads to common sense.

You can disagree with her competing and not be transphobic. 2nd to (17th - the gal that got bumped from competing) are not transphobic for disagreeing with her competing.

Use common sense on this.

 

[One Brow]

I have no clue what you are blathering on about here or what point you are trying to make. Carry on.

I'm just saying it was a good thing for you to acknowledge your error. You don't like being recognized for maturity?

 

[One Brow]

Lia Thomas should not have been able to compete because it's simple not fair. Half (or close to) her own swim team didn't think it was fair.

Yet, evidence proves otherwise. Thomas produced some decent performances, but in no way stood out from other people in the competition. That's completely fair.

You can make trans people feel accepted and they can be, but there are a few lines that have to be drawn. This is one of them.

You can make bigots feel accepted and they can be; but there are a few lines that have to be drawn. This is one of them.

The opinions that matter are the swimmer's/athletes.

No, the opinions that matter are the members of the governing body, in this case, the NCAA.

 

[One Brow]

So many people bury their heads to common sense.

Yet I persevere in trying to teach it.

You can disagree with her competing and not be transphobic.

You just can't produce any rational support for your opinion without dipping into transphobia. I mean, it's not as if you havven't put your own transphobia on clear display in here when discussing your dating life. Who are you trying to kid?

2nd to (17th - the gal that got bumped from competing) are not transphobic for disagreeing with her competing.

There only objection is based on her circumstances of birth. They have no other objection that Thomas being trans.

Use common sense on this.

I am.

 

[One Brow]

Because I think, and USA Swimming thinks, and Thomas' female competitors think Lia Thomas is cheating.

Cheating requires breaking the rules. What rules do you think Thomas is breaking?

Lia Thomas is being treated like a cheater.

Assigning moral fault to a circumstance of birth is the exact behavior of a bigot.

With the army of lawyers and culture warriors to bully detractors with economic warfare,

In other words, your opinion is unpopular.

no one can stop Lia Thomas from doing this but that doesn't mean everyone has to pretend to like Lia Thomas.

I always prefer my bigotry on open display.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm just saying it was a good thing for you to acknowledge your error. You don't like being recognized for maturity?

Thank you for carrying on

 

[One Brow]

Thank you for carrying on

You are most welcome, sir!

 

[LogGrad98]

The funny thing about common sense is that the only one who actually has any is me.

(now everyone say this exact phrase out loud and you get the point)

 

[Archie Moses]

Apparently, I'm transphobic because I won't date trans. One_Brow's logic. Dude is special.