The second point isn't at all interesting; there are two groups of sports because more than 95% of the population is in the man/boy or woman/girl gender.
[<5 nmol/L] is still far above levels in most women, including elite female athletes, whose levels range from 0.12 to 1.79 nanomoles per liter, states a 22-page IAAF document defending the organization's decision. ... "Therefore, a concentration of 5 nmol/L is an appropriate decision limit for purposes of these Regulations," the IAAF stated.
IAAF Sets New Limits On Testosterone Levels In Women
Track and field's world governing body announced new restrictions on female athletes who naturally produce higher-than-normal levels of testosterone.www.npr.org
3) Most importantly, this limit from the IAAF is the same for cis women and trans women. You have disproven your own claim.
I think there's definitely room for debate on what it means to be transgender. I don't think a lot of the public even knows what it means. They believe it's some sort of mental disease or perversion.
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It is neither. That is why you can't find evidence to the contrary. The NCAA defers to the guidelines set by the parent organizations of sports such as the IAAF. The only exception is for swimming, for this year only, appliers only to transgender women (not to transgender men or biological females), and that was instituted during this swimming season for the remainder of this season in swimming which has now concluded. Going forward the NCAA will follow the guidelines of USA Swimming which limits testosterone in women to 5 nmol/L.
I don't disagree at all.
Because one issue is biological and the other is a social construct that research has shown has a better outcome when addressing it after puberty. The better question is why you are so interested in the genitals of other people's children.
I don't disagree. But until the public knows what being transgender is even about, Republicans are going to own the majority of state houses, Congress, and the entire Judicial branch. By the time the public actually figures out what transgender even means, Republicans will have erased 3 decades worth of gains for the LGBT community. They're already talking about overturning Obergefell and Griswold. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they soon start bringing up overturning Brown v Board. Especially if they win the midterms and Trump wins in 2024.
You didn't link to any of this, and I suppose you expect me to take this on your word? The problem is, the clause, "The only exception is for swimming" is explicitly contradicted by the NCAA document to which I linked, a document updated in Feb-2022, which lists explicit levels in a variety of sports for trans women, not just swimming. "For this year only" is contradicted by this NCAA link, which explicitly says "Transgender student-athletes who are participating in regular season competition (including conference championships) for the remainder of academic year 2022 remain subject to the 2010 NCAA policy only." 12 years is longer than one year.
Which does not change the fundamental dishonesty you presented in points 1) and 3).
Yet, you have yet to name an NCAA rule that she broke. Since USA Swimming does not consider the NCAA events to be elite events, she broke no USA Swimming rules, either.
Why not? What's Thomas's testosterone level?
Why is being intersex a biological "issue", instead of simply a state of existence?
It doesn't matter. The guidelines going forward require 3 years of documented sub-5 nmol/L testosterone levels. Thomas didn't do that. An athlete who suppresses their testosterone level to that extent for 3 years will likely lose their spot on the team because other athletes will win their spot. Even if they could keep their performance level, they'd have to start suppression before their freshmen season in order to swim in their senior season. If they don't start their transition before their freshmen year, they will run out of eligibility before the end of their NCAA career. Make no mistake, the NCAA has publicly said all the right things to appease the mob while making sure that door was closed, locked, glued, and nailed shut.
All the athletes have to meet those conditions. Why will only some of them be affected? Thomas was doing second place as a freshman in the men's division. She's just a good swimmer, in a year where there were no great swimmers in the 500m FR.
I wonder if you noticed how your first sentence contradicted you third?
No, you don't get it. These college level transgender female athletes exist is because they couldn't win in the men's division so they became transgender so that they could pick up some of those sweet sweet college swimming trophies.
It's so frustrating. He could have used a completely neutral terminology like "people will need to transition earlier than Thomas did to qualify". Instead, he's got to pull out "cheat", "door was closed", and "will not be able to do that" (the latter contradicting what they have been saying almost the entire thread). I just don't understand why someone would hate someone else that much. What can people do against such reckless hate?
Given that in many states, they're trying to effectively bar minors from transitioning, this will bar lots of kids from competition entirely.
Lia Thomas won the women's 500 with a time of 4:33.24. Matthew States won the men's 500 with a time of 4:06.61. In the most recent Utah High School championship, Tanner Nelson from Bingham won the boys 500 in 4:30.06.
It doesn't. You don't understand the roadblock the NCAA has put up. The door appears open but it isn't.
Not at all. They are welcome to compete against other athlete who are their same biological sex.
The primary issue we have in our politics today is the sense of grievance. It’s highly effective. Few commenting about trans sports know anything about trans people or women’s sports. After the trans bathroom flop in North Carolina, bigots and well funded think tanks have successfully found a way to weaponize trans rights. Now granting trans women the right to participate in sports is “taking away” something from women. This can be used as an excuse to further attack the LGBT community until eventually Obergefell is overturned.
It really is frustrating. I mean I'll say it again and again. The trans people I've met are very private, hesitant to go into public, not trying to make anyone uncomfortable because they exist. They're just trying to ****ing live. They aren't trans to prove a point or be cool.
