Transgender and sports
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Humm, I wonder where I got the idea that many people view transgender people as pretending to be a different gender for some sort of advantage. The idea that transgender people are lying and/or tricking people into accepting their fake gender identity.
I wonder why I have made that argument, that transgender people are not just in drag and not just "pretending" to be something so adamantly.
I've been told over and over and over that no one thinks that transgender people are lying or faking or using their gender identity as a trick. And then this pile of **** gets posted as if this is a representation of the issue.
How many transgender people will suffer violent attacks and or be killed because of this funny clip? I'm guessing the answer is who cares?
Avery
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It was supposed to be a lighthearted joke to a conversation charged with emotion, but fair point.
Of course it’s an issue more deeply rooted than a South Park video.
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What it did for me is make me no longer want to be part of the discussion.
That is a nice take on it. I really dont care what I am called and felt no need to put that stuff. But I guess it does help people who do want to put it feel more comfortable, plus I guess it helps them feel like or know they have an ally.
Al-O-Meter
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Non-imaginary violent attacks? None. Zero. There have been absolutely no violent attacks on transgender athletes since that clip has come out. However that story was centered on the mixed feeling people had toward transgender athletes dominating biological women in women's sports. The Macho Man character was modeled on the transgender High School Connecticut track athletes who took no testosterone suppressing medication. One of them even made the glib comment their competitors should work harder rather than complain or worry about what medications they weren't taking.
The question that episode raised was "does being acceptive and supportive of the trans community require that you support what the High School Connecticut track athletes were doing?" It is a valid question and one I think a lot of people are wrestling with. Your approach here by insinuating that by merely asking a question about there being a line between being compassionate towards the trans individuals and not feeling right about watching those Connecticut track athletes destroy their competition, as the South Park creators did in that episode, is the same as fostering violent attacks on trans athletes is little better than One Brow's. It might even be worse. All One Brow is doing is calling people a bigot. You are assigning responsibility for imaginary violent attacks on these trans athletes.
Back atcha.
Was that supposed to discourage me? Basic human dignity should never be a matter of discussion, it should be a given.
It's a joke that leans hard into a harmful stereotype, punching down on an oppressed class. It's not better than making jokes based on race or gender.
Because only athletes matter? I really wonder how carefully you think about what you said sometimes. It really comes out callous, and almost inhuman, when you go places like this.
What's your source for that tidbit?
Connecticut Transgender Policy Found to Violate Title IX
A Connecticut policy that allows transgender athletes to compete in girls sports violates the civil rights of female athletes, the U.S. Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights has ruled. The ruling, which was obtained Thursday by The Associated Press, comes in response to a complaint...
www.nbcconnecticut.com
Really, your ugliness here has no lower limit, apparently. There is no lie too shallow, too easily disproved that you would be reluctant to spread it.
@Avery , this is one reason why including such videos is harmful, however funny you think they are.
@Gameface , I guess I will have to step up my game if you are somehow worse than me.
This is why you're not worth engaging.
I didn't ****ing say transgender athletes. Okay?
You've also clearly have not read my last half dozen posts in this thread or else you'd know that the stupid response you typed is just that, stupid as ****.
You snipped my post and took out the part that matters most. That although I'm met with denial after denial that the perception is that trans people in general but especially the athletes (which probably makes up an absolutely tiny percentage of the trans population) are faking their gender. That clip obviously shows a person who simply announced their gender identity but who is not actually personally identifying as that gender.
Transgender people get murdered at a rate that is astronomically higher than any other population in the U.S. So GFYS with your smug little attitude.
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This. The "joke" isn't funny unless you think transgender athletes are pretending to be female so that they can win at sports. It's so ****ing absurd in every way, yet it seems people really think this is happening on a significant enough scale to garner our attention and outrage.