Transgender and sports

[JazzGal]

You know, in all my anthropology classes in college, I don't remember ever coming across the concept "gender spectrum."

I wonder why that was...

But unless you are a scientist dealing in such issues, why does it matter to you? Does it make you feel superior in some way?

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[gandalfe]

Ya I mean if an archeologist dug up the bones of a once male who transitioned to a female and was tasked with determining whether the bones came from a female or male then it wouldn't matter what the person self identified as. The archeologist would simply come to the conclusion that the bones were from a male human.

And we all know you can tell everything important about a person from their skeleton.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Remember, it’s about preserving the integrity of women’s sports. It’s nothing about preying on bigotry to try and keep a base that hasn’t gotten over Obergefell angry and engaged for the midterms…

U.S. Sen. Mike Braun: SCOTUS should leave abortion, interracial marriage to states

U.S. Sen. Mike Braun (R-Ind.) said the U.S. Supreme Court was wrong to legalize interracial marriage nationwide and should have left it to individual states.

www.wfyi.org

I wish posters on here could see these sweeping reforms quickly being stuffed down their throats for what they truly are. Yesterday, Utah’s legislature quickly passed a ban in special session. Many delegates voiced anger from their base that the legislature had been stymied by the Republican governor and threatened primaries for incumbents that didn’t help to override the gov’s veto. And today is the GOP convention where GOP legislators up for re-election faced party delegates. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.

There’s a real opportunity to have an adult conversation about women’s sports and improving the lives of LGBT students. Unfortunately, the political party in charge of most state legislatures, including Utah’s, has no interest in that. Much easier to just prey on bigotry.

Monson has some good thoughts

Gordon Monson: Utah Legislature played a political game while transgender athletes suffered

The Utah Way too often becomes the way of protecting those who already are in power and kicking aside those who could use more representation and a little help, Tribune columnist Gordon Monson writes.

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What the passage/override in this case really was is two things: 1) A twisted proclamation reinforcing a line of thinking from some in the predominant religion in this state, although there are plenty of members of that church who hate what the Legislature did with HB11; and 2) A move by legislators to solidify their conservative base, so as to better ensure their ability to be re-elected in a state where Republicans so lopsidedly rule.

 

[Gameface]

And we all know you can tell everything important about a person from their skeleton.

The archeologist, anthropologists and biologists would all be like "Yep, this was one of the ones that was good at sports. They also took out the trash, held the door, did light household repairs, were abusive, murdered, molested children, etc. You can't really argue with science, after all. Yep, this old pile of bones can be defined exactly based on their sexual organs. His name was probably Jeffery, or Johnathan. It's all right there in the penis."

 

[Gameface]

Remember, it’s about preserving the integrity of women’s sports. It’s nothing about preying on bigotry to try and keep a base that hasn’t gotten over Obergefell angry and engaged for the midterms…

She has the intelligence of a ****ing goldfish. To her it's all just one thing, the other. Pete Buttigieg is a gay man married to another gay man. Why would he go into a woman's restroom? It doesn't even make sense.

I'm also still pretty confused about what supposedly goes on in women's restrooms. I mean do you ladies do your business with the stall door open? Is it all **** out in there? I can count on zero hands how many times I've seen another dude's junk in a public bathroom. I can also count on zero hands how many times someone is just hanging out, straight chillin' in the bathroom, like it's the cool new hangout. I thought bathrooms were for urinating or defecating in. That's sort of get in get it done, wash your damn hands, and get out type of thing as far as I'm concerned. But MTG is gonna MTG.

 

[One Brow]

Ya I mean if an archeologist dug up the bones of a once male who transitioned to a female and was tasked with determining whether the bones came from a female or male then it wouldn't matter what the person self identified as.

Do you think 100% of intact skeletons can be so identified?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

What concepts did you come across? Female and male?

Female and male are certainly vocabulary words, yes.

 

[Gameface]

Female and male are certainly vocabulary words, yes.

I know you hesitate to spend much time with this stuff on jazzfanz, but I appreciate the information you have.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

But unless you are a scientist dealing in such issues, why does it matter to you? Does it make you feel superior in some way?

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I can't think of a academic discipline more enveloped into the idea of gender than anthropology. Anthropologists identify, describe, and catalogue gender across societal populations, like the third gender Lhamana in the Zuni tribe. I wouldn't have a degree in Anthropology if I didn't have interest in the topics of the discipline.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I know you hesitate to spend much time with this stuff on jazzfanz, but I appreciate the information you have.

So here's the thing, gender roles and all things that a gender represented is completely made up by the people who participate in that society. And even then, there's going to be vagueness, especially when population size grows and grows. What it means to be man, or woman, or Lhamana or whatever will change as the population changes. It's fluid. Equating sex to gender is easy to refute. If male = man, here's a nice picture of this man, thusly so because he is male.



Look at that man. He's male, so he's a man.

Counterargument might be, an ADULT male. Well, you just made an admission that gender is not definable by sex alone, thus sex =! gender. Whatever the society determines is what goes. I always got the impression in classes that gender is an idealistic expectation, though what defines that idealistic expection is incredible wide across cultures and incredibly fluid since the population changes all the time. And yes, gender is related to sex, but since culture and society is complicated, so is gender. Sex is simple, well, in comparison.

The extent I can go into gender is limited due to having just a bachelor's degree and not a Ph.D, and being graduated nearly 20 years now, so it takes a long time to formulate responses. It's easy to learn, hard to teach. Plus my Anthropological interests have never been into anything gender related. There is one particular line of questioning relating to transgenderism that I've had that is better suited for some in the field rather than an internet message board, but that's about it when it comes to gender.

 

[gandalfe]

I can't think of a academic discipline more enveloped into the idea of gender than anthropology.

Gender studies, maybe?

 

[fishonjazz]

And we all know you can tell everything important about a person from their skeleton.

Oh you thought i said that you can tell everything important about a person from their skeleton. Didn't mean to confuse you. I didn't say that.
I was responding to the comment: "For instance in the legislative hearing yesterday when one of the state Senators said “There’s no way of knowing the difference of a man or woman” there’s a reason people scoff at that and think the person saying it is entirely insane and agenda driven themselves."
If someone says something like "there is no way of knowing the difference of a man or woman" then i have to agree with oneye that statement sounds insane to me.