Transgender and sports

[Gameface]

So here's the thing, gender roles and all things that a gender represented is completely made up by the people who participate in that society. And even then, there's going to be vagueness, especially when population size grows and grows. What it means to be man, or woman, or Lhamana or whatever will change as the population changes. It's fluid. Equating sex to gender is easy to refute. If male = man, here's a nice picture of this man, thusly so because he is male.

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Look at that man. He's male, so he's a man.

Counterargument might be, an ADULT male. Well, you just made an admission that gender is not definable by sex alone, thus sex =! gender. Whatever the society determines is what goes. I always got the impression in classes that gender is an idealistic expectation, though what defines that idealistic expection is incredible wide across cultures and incredibly fluid since the population changes all the time. And yes, gender is related to sex, but since culture and society is complicated, so is gender. Sex is simple, well, in comparison.

The extent I can go into gender is limited due to having just a bachelor's degree and not a Ph.D, and being graduated nearly 20 years now, so it takes a long time to formulate responses. It's easy to learn, hard to teach. Plus my Anthropological interests have never been into anything gender related. There is one particular line of questioning relating to transgenderism that I've had that is better suited for some in the field rather than an internet message board, but that's about it when it comes to gender.

Once again, it is nice to have an educated perspective on the issue.

 

[Avery]

She has the intelligence of a ****ing goldfish.

I’m fairly certain goldfish resent this comment.

 

[oneye]

So you're willing to "play along" with a person claiming a gender that they are not just to keep the peace, just to preserve their "delusion."

Yeah we heard you the first time.

I’m willing to not treat someone like dirt because of what they’re going through yes.

 

[oneye]

At least I can explain and justify my positions. All you're doing is saying I'm lying, and without a single bit of evidence you can bring to back that up. Your position is nothing but hollow assertions. It might as well be a religion.

You haven’t explained or justified anything, just talked in lala talk.

Biology is much more complex than what you were taught in 5th grade.

Complex? Sure. There’s a thing called male and female and they’re what the existence of essentially any vertebrate species relies on.

Once again, it is nice to have an educated perspective on the issue.

This doesn’t refute any point you think it does.

 

[oneye]

And we all know you can tell everything important about a person from their skeleton.

I can tell if that Skelton is from a male or female…in literally any vertebrate species, and usually it’s pretty obvious.

 

[oneye]

Remember, it’s about preserving the integrity of women’s sports. It’s nothing about preying on bigotry to try and keep a base that hasn’t gotten over Obergefell angry and engaged for the midterms…

U.S. Sen. Mike Braun: SCOTUS should leave abortion, interracial marriage to states

U.S. Sen. Mike Braun (R-Ind.) said the U.S. Supreme Court was wrong to legalize interracial marriage nationwide and should have left it to individual states.

www.wfyi.org

I wish posters on here could see these sweeping reforms quickly being stuffed down their throats for what they truly are. Yesterday, Utah’s legislature quickly passed a ban in special session. Many delegates voiced anger from their base that the legislature had been stymied by the Republican governor and threatened primaries for incumbents that didn’t help to override the gov’s veto. And today is the GOP convention where GOP legislators up for re-election faced party delegates. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.

There’s a real opportunity to have an adult conversation about women’s sports and improving the lives of LGBT students. Unfortunately, the political party in charge of most state legislatures, including Utah’s, has no interest in that. Much easier to just prey on bigotry.

Monson has some good thoughts

Gordon Monson: Utah Legislature played a political game while transgender athletes suffered

The Utah Way too often becomes the way of protecting those who already are in power and kicking aside those who could use more representation and a little help, Tribune columnist Gordon Monson writes.

www.sltrib.com

And most on the other side of that argument have no interest in acknowledging reality so yes we are not in a wonderful place as far as this conversation goes. One side wants to ban them(wrong) and one side wants to pretend we live in a delusion and not reality(also wrong).

 

[Archie Moses]

Have sports been traditionally divided by gender or by sex?

I'm so confused at this point.

 

[Archie Moses]

Then, you have no worries about leagues that don't match your criteria.

I'm honestly not.

Have fun Googling.

 

[Gameface]

This doesn’t refute any point you think it does.

That changes nothing about how I feel about the inclusion of an educated perspective. You have no idea what my motivations are, obviously and you have exposed your own mindset that you will only acknowledge the validity of information if it conforms to your point of view.

 

[Gameface]

 

[One Brow]

ou haven’t explained or justified anything, just talked in lala talk.

I've gone over my understandings multiple times in multiple threads, but I appreciate you haven't had opportunity to read most of them. What's something you think I've said that I can't substantiate?

Complex? Sure. There’s a thing called male and female and they’re what the existence of essentially any vertebrate species relies on.

Except where they don't, like the lizards the reproduce asexually, and the people who are not exclusively male nor exclusively female on a biological level exist.

This doesn’t refute any point you think it does.

educated perspectives generally aim to enlighten, not refute.

 

[One Brow]

Have sports been traditionally divided by gender or by sex?

I'm so confused at this point.

Gender. Those perceived to be women were put in women's sports, those perceived to be men in men's sports.