The occasional transgender female is the best... is my point
Transgender and sports
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Beer
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But she is biologically a male competing against biological females. Which is not a fair competition. That is my point.
So look. I kind of assumed that the people participating in this thread were aware of this, but maybe that isn't the case.
I have a transgender daughter. She's 19 years old, she has been openly transgender for a little more than 5 years now. I'm not going to discuss private medical details at all because those aren't mine to talk about on a public forum. But needless to say that first my daughter has less than 0% interest in participating in sports. Second, if she did, she would not be dominant against an average female athlete her same age. Third, this **** ain't easy. Shutting more doors, making more explicit statements about exclusion and making clear that she is not allowed to win, that we might tolerate her but we will never accept or embrace her, well she doesn't need a society that regards her that way. And that society will be the less for it.
I have a transgender daughter. She's 19 years old, she has been openly transgender for a little more than 5 years now. I'm not going to discuss private medical details at all because those aren't mine to talk about on a public forum. But needless to say that first my daughter has less than 0% interest in participating in sports. Second, if she did, she would not be dominant against an average female athlete her same age. Third, this **** ain't easy. Shutting more doors, making more explicit statements about exclusion and making clear that she is not allowed to win, that we might tolerate her but we will never accept or embrace her, well she doesn't need a society that regards her that way. And that society will be the less for it.
Competition is NOT fair. Some people are better than others. You were 100% cool with the 4A girl moving into the 1A school and dominating. To you that's perfectly fair. But a transgender female isn't allowed to win. No matter what we can't let her win.
Beer
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No ****, but unless we are breaking down everything into 100's of divisions based on sex, height, strength, speed, race, lineage, wealth, etc .... then basing it on 2 sexes is the most logical and reasonable way to do it. There are outliers like Lebron and Serena but a vast majority of men are able to at least compete with men and women with women. You would have a to be a pretty terrible male athlete to get beat by even a very very good woman athlete in things like track, basketball, sports that require physicality.
Trans females are not males. That's an important point that can't really be ignored in this.
Trans females may (very much most likely) be on hormone therapy. A trans female on hormone therapy cannot be compared to a male, not even a trans male. As stated previously, a trans female on hormone therapy has lower levels of testosterone than a biological female.
I have met several transgender youths because my daughter is transgender and met them in a trans youth group. My daughter does not like that her only friends are transgender. She'd prefer to be able to just have friends. But that's not how it seems to work. So because she is excluded to the transgender social group I have met a number of transgender kids. Not a ****ing one of them would dominate any sport. This boogeyman of the burly trans female LeBron is a ridiculous myth.
This is the objective truth we can see as adults, life isn't fair, most of us can't be professional athletes, or great politicians, or prominent researchers. But it's not the dream we're selling to kids when they compete (athletic or otherwise).
What's the determining factor of "biological male"? Is it genetic, chromosome-based (yes, they are different), genital, other morphological characteristics, endocrinal, something else?
Would you think it fair if, instead, these girls were beaten by "biological females" who were taking hormone therapy in the process of transitioning to men? Because by using these hormone treatments, the transitioning people would have access to muscle developments that the non-transitioning people would not have?
Frankly, "who is the best at something" is meaningless in the long run.
What is the dream you're selling to your 1A girl who has to compete against the star athlete girl from a 4A school? Do you tell her "well at least you didn't get your *** handed to you by one of those trans freaks"?
Probably shouldn't be selling dreams to high schoolers, that's kinda where things have to get real. More relevant for elementary school sorts.
That also wasn't me talking about 1A/4A stuff.
Okay, my apologies. I misunderstood your post. What I will say, though, is that trans females competing in sports is a lot more fair than it is being portrayed as by the people who seek to stop trans females from competing.