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Tre Johnson Will Likely be The 5th Pick

jazznik said:
So, can you give an example of that type of player who is successful? Because I went through all 3-point volume shooters for this season and could find only two like that: Malik Beasley and Buddy Hield. All the rest are either good defenders, good playmakers or can easily penetrate and finish in the paint.
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The high end, volume pull-up shooters who don’t attack the rim well would be guys like Herro, Murray, and McCollum. You’re putting yourself in hole by being a player that’s simply very bad at defense, then you’re putting yourself in another hole by being a guy who doesn’t attack the basket. It’s possible to be successful this way. I think you take a Murray//Herro level at 5 every day of the week, but you also have to remember that these guys are the near the peak of that type of player.

The more realistic path to stardom for Tre is not probably not being this incredibly exceptional player who changes everything we know about the game. It’s probably to start playing more like the actual stars play, but being able to attack the rim isn’t something so easily developed. If players could do that, they probably would have already been doing that.
 
There's no bigger red flag than "making lots of tough shots in college". For a true high level prospect, the college game should seem easy. There's only two or three guys like that in this draft.

One of them is VJ, who's not a volume scorer – just a different player type – but has the type of poise on the court you need in the NBA.
 
KqWIN said:
The high end, volume pull-up shooters who don’t attack the rim well would be guys like Herro, Murray, and McCollum. You’re putting yourself in hole by being a player that’s simply very bad at defense, then you’re putting yourself in another hole by being a guy who doesn’t attack the basket. It’s possible to be successful this way. I think you take a Murray//Herro level at 5 every day of the week, but you also have to remember that these guys are the near the peak of that type of player.

The more realistic path to stardom for Tre is not probably not being this incredibly exceptional player who changes everything we know about the game. It’s probably to start playing more like the actual stars play, but being able to attack the rim isn’t something so easily developed. If players could do that, they probably would have already been doing that.
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Your right that there is already a tried and true path to stardom but I don't think its good to be overly constrained by archetypes and player comparisons. The truly exceptional players break the mold and create their own style that can't be emulated. Its true that there are many parts of Tre Johnson's game that are underwhelming; He certainly doesn't project well as a defensive player or any type of all rounder kind of player. But what he does have is exceptional shooting both on ball and off ball.

We all know that in the modern NBA, 3s are king. Thats just how the math works out. And Tre is excellent at making 3s.

I don't know what Tre projects as at the NBA level, but whether he is an on ball guard who runs the show, or an off ball sharpshooter type, or something else, I believe his strength as a shooter is uncommonly good and will make him one of the best shooters in the league. What he grows into will be interesting to see but it should all be based on his central strength of shooting. Whether the rest of the soup comes together, he at least has the foundation to become an exceptional player.

While it might be wishful thinking on my part, I do hope Tre or whoever we pick at 5 has the capacity to become a mold breaking player.
 
I know that we are all bitter frogs for not getting Cooper, but that's no reason to hate on Tre. He is the best shooter in the draft and could be a potential 25 ppg scorer.

It's easier to teach defense to an 19 year old than it is shooting.
 
SojoDave said:
I know that we are all bitter frogs for not getting Cooper, but that's no reason to hate on Tre. He is the best shooter in the draft and could be a potential 25 ppg scorer.

It's easier to teach defense to an 19 year old than it is shooting.
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Well Firepower is everything
Warriors can't win without Curry's firepower
So you can't pass on a 25 ppg player I guess
 
slc said:
Maybe do what Tony Jones mentioned
Trade 5 and 21 to Nets for 8 and 19
Jazz could still get someone they want at 8 and move up a couple spots
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that's insane. move down three at the top of the draft so you can move up two at the bottom of the 1st? what the? why not just stay at 5 and very likely (more likely than getting who they want at 8 vs 5) get the guy you would take at 19, at 21?
 
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