Trey Burke's potential

[Stoked]

So question, does Burke's downward spiral on many aspects of the game point to a problem with the current, and past, player development coaching techniques?

I am not saying it is Snyder's fault but rather asking could a change in coaching techniques and philosophy in realtion to Burke change his trajectory/development for the better?

Why or why not?

(Honest question for the BBall X and Os savy posters)

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

I was a nay-sayer on Trey. He came across as having Der-on prima donna attitude with less game.

But frankly, last year he proved me wrong in a lot of ways. His attitude coming off the bench was tremendous. His play in Feb - March was excellent as a scoring 6th man off the bench. He helped a lot in our superman run. Sure, his shot wasn't perfect but he brought plenty of scoring which started to open up his play making ability. A second year with Coach Quin Medicine Man will cure what ails Trey. He will be a fine 3rd year guard. Probably not a starter on a great team, but a FANTASTIC guard off the bench.

 

[fishonjazz]

I was a nay-sayer on Trey. He came across as having Der-on prima donna attitude with less game.

But frankly, last year he proved me wrong in a lot of ways. His attitude coming off the bench was tremendous. His play in Feb - March was excellent as a scoring 6th man off the bench. He helped a lot in our superman run. Sure, his shot wasn't perfect but he brought plenty of scoring which started to open up his play making ability. A second year with Coach Quin Medicine Man will cure what ails Trey. He will be a fine 3rd year guard. Probably not a starter on a great team, but a FANTASTIC guard off the bench.

 

[Stoked]

I was a nay-sayer on Trey. He came across as having Der-on prima donna attitude with less game.

But frankly, last year he proved me wrong in a lot of ways. His attitude coming off the bench was tremendous. His play in Feb - March was excellent as a scoring 6th man off the bench. He helped a lot in our superman run. Sure, his shot wasn't perfect but he brought plenty of scoring which started to open up his play making ability. A second year with Coach Quin Medicine Man will cure what ails Trey. He will be a fine 3rd year guard. Probably not a starter on a great team, but a FANTASTIC guard off the bench.

I will agree that he showed great public pose when he was made the back up. Was a very mature and appreciated response. Well done Burke.

However, while he did provide a much needed scoring punch from the bench he did so in a very inefficeint way. In Feb he shot 40% FG, 37% 3s and 79% FT

In March it was even worse: 34% FG, 26.5% 3s and 68% FTs.

He was the scoring punch simply becasue he was what Snyder had to work with. His options for bench scoring where often Millsap, Evans or Booker. Burke was the only choice really.

If Hood and Burks are both healthy next year (no reason to expect they won't be) one of them will be the 6th man and scoring threat off the bench. They will both be more effecient than Burke.

Career FG, 3 and FT %s

Burke - 37.4 FG%, 32.4 3s %, 81.8 FT% (trending down)
Burks - 43.6 FG%, 35.6 3s %, 75 FTs% (trending up, exception of 2015)
Hood - 41.4 FG%, 36.5 3s %, 76.3 FTs% (rookie year so no trend but I fully expect it to go up as Hood showed increases at the end of the season - he killed it in March)

The one thing Burke provided (mostly to lack of options) is now provided by a better player.

Burke needs to improve, dramatically, or he will be gone.

 

[Jazz4ever]

The great PG crop of 2013 will all end up bench players

MCW - Philly recognized his shot was irreparable and could not be their PGOF
McCollum - legit shooter but mainly plays off the bench in a low pressure SG role
Larkin - Was good last year........as a tank commander
Wolters - is he in the league still?
Schroeder - the best of the lot but a poor shooter and high turnover rate still leans toward a backup

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Trey needs to improve no doubt about it, becoming more efficient and consistent I hope will come since he will be playing with better players off the bench this year.

His rookie year people said he doesn't have enough TO's he needs more to show he can improve, learn from his mistakes etc... this year his TO's are up and well people complain.
People said he needs to get to the FT line more by driving and developing a floater, he showed signs of doing that but yet people still complain without much acknowledgement if any at all that he was doing this.

Again I'm not saying he hasn't been disappointing and needs to improve but just thought I'd point out that people can get what they asked for and wanted and still not be happy.

 

[homeytennis]

Trey needs to improve no doubt about it, becoming more efficient and consistent I hope will come since he will be playing with better players off the bench this year.

His rookie year people said he doesn't have enough TO's he needs more to show he can improve, learn from his mistakes etc... this year his TO's are up and well people complain.
People said he needs to get to the FT line more by driving and developing a floater, he showed signs of doing that but yet people still complain without much acknowledgement if any at all that he was doing this.

Again I'm not saying he hasn't been disappointing and needs to improve but just thought I'd point out that people can get what they asked for and wanted and still not be happy.

Wolters ended the year in the DLeague playing of the same team as Diantte Garrett. I think he got cut by two or three NBA teams during the year. I believe the Pelicans were his last NBA stop.

 

[orangello]

From an article on Quin's first year on the part of the site no one visits, comments of maybe even reads (Jazznews) by Ben Dowset:

"Trey Burke was a major disappointment in his second year, although it’s pretty clear at this point he’s just a limited player overall. Some of his more “coachable” elements – things like court awareness, shot selection, and defensive positioning – either stagnated or even backslid some. "

It's interesting to me that of all the players who were non rookies playing any decent amount of time that only two of them did not look better, Kanter (traded) and Burke.

Coincidence? Or should I say Quincidence?

 

[orangello]

So question, does Burke's downward spiral on many aspects of the game point to a problem with the current, and past, player development coaching techniques?

I am not saying it is Snyder's fault but rather asking could a change in coaching techniques and philosophy in realtion to Burke change his trajectory/development for the better?

Why or why not?

(Honest question for the BBall X and Os savy posters)

I'd say the former staff was terrible but the evidence for the current staff certainly points to development.

So it's strange that Burke did not develop. Maybe he's only the leader of the team as long as things are working the way he wants them to.

 

[green]

So question, does Burke's downward spiral on many aspects of the game point to a problem with the current, and past, player development coaching techniques?

I am not saying it is Snyder's fault but rather asking could a change in coaching techniques and philosophy in realtion to Burke change his trajectory/development for the better?

Why or why not?

(Honest question for the BBall X and Os savy posters)

I'd argue that Burke got better last year but he was asked to do too much. If Dante, Burks and Hood can score 40 pts a night, then Burke won't be as relied on to score, which wi allow him to play a better game, which will then look like he has taken this big step forward.

I haven't given up on Burke. I think a lighter load will make a big difference for him. What Burke needs is Exum to score 12, Burks to score 14 and Hood to score 14.

I don't have high hopes for Burke, but I haven't written him off yet. I think he could be a very solid backup PG.

 

[karl malone]

Funny how quickly things can change in sports. Just 2 years ago, I was fairly confident that we had found our PG of the future & team leader. A year later (after drafting Exum), I was hopeful that he would become our 6th man scoring spark off of the bench. Now, I'm just hoping that he can become an adequate backup & not hurt the team. Don't get me wrong, I still think Burke has the potential to improve (especially in his decision making & ability to facilitate an offense) & possibly become a starting caliber PG (although likely never on a championship caliber team). He was drafted into a tough situation (pressure, lack of mentor/leadership, coaching, etc), which didn't improve much in year 2 (drafting Exum, losing starting position, etc).

I still believe that he felt the pressure last year, as well as the year before, & was pressing. With another year in QS's system & less pressure starting the season coming off the bench, I wouldn't be surprised to see him start to turn it around. Personally though, considering the success that this team had last year without receiving much contribution from the PG position as a whole combined with the fact that Exum has clearly become our latest PG of the future, I think it is in the best interest of the team (as well as Exum & even Burke) for him to be traded (for a reasonable return- if possible) & replaced with a young vet. As important as I feel that will be to the team's success next year, I wouldn't trade Burke simply for the sake of doing so as I still believe he holds value & that our success will be somewhat limited (regardless of our off-season moves) due to the fact that Exum (who I expect to improve significantly but not enough for us to truly contend) will likely be our starting PG.

 

[NAOS]

So question, does Burke's downward spiral on many aspects of the game point to a problem with the current, and past, player development coaching techniques?

I am not saying it is Snyder's fault but rather asking could a change in coaching techniques and philosophy in realtion to Burke change his trajectory/development for the better?

Why or why not?

(Honest question for the BBall X and Os savy posters)

I'd say the former staff was terrible but the evidence for the current staff certainly points to development.

So it's strange that Burke did not develop. Maybe he's only the leader of the team as long as things are working the way he wants them to.

Burke did develop. His shot selection and ball-handling practices from within the 3-point line were markedly different under Q. His percentages don't reflect improvement, but that doesn't mean he didn't improve. I think he did. The problems are that he really doesn't see the floor that well, and he's overmatched physically. If he can't put the defense on it's heals with the threat to pass, then he can't offset the physical stuff.

There's no underestimating how important this next season is for Burke. If he can build on last year, and get his percentages a good place, then he'll have a future. If not, then the end is nigh.

If he's playing with the Jazz in October, then he needs to be the best 7th man in the league. That's what he's striving for at this point.